Hi Judy, Lucky you to be in the process of visioning instead of just down- sizing (or modifying as my Dean likes to say). I agree with all the (contradictory) responses you are receiving re. the setting up of a writing centre. As Andrea says, it all depends. Local conditions are crucial in determining what can be done (or what you can get away with). Cathy is absolutely right about the necessity for disciplinary attachment and quality control. Since your writing centre will be for research and teaching, it seems you are on the right track. If your English Department is friendly to composition and rhetoric, than that will work. If not, then not, and you may be better off with an independent centre (or centres as at U of T). My own centre is an independent one, and there are certain benefits in that all our departments are willing to look to us for assistance. But I now have difficulty developing beyond that stage, for unfortunately, I am running into the very problems that Cathy has described. The teaching/research model that Janet has developed is an ideal one. Can it exist independently, as it seems to do at U of T? Or is that a unique situation because of unique people? Happy Canada Day! (Although I still prefer the old Dominion Day) Mieke Mieke Koppen Tucker Bishop's University