I can't help but wonder. Did you ever consider suspenders, or as the Brits call them braces. ?? I started to wear them when I was in college( class of 40) because a belt hurt my tummy. I quit wearing them one time as I was advised that they would prevent me from getting a promotion - they were very much out of style at that time - when they came back in I started wearing them again and have ever since. and I never did get that particular promotion. Why do firemen wear red suspenders? / / / / / / / / / / to hold up their pants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Silly - my grandkids loved this - the first time I asked it they got it right - older people frequently can't figure it out Bob Anibal CG for Cecily 78/20 [log in to unmask]