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Bob, I have tried braces, but find the thin ones uncomfortable and can only find wide ones that attach using buttons. As I can't find trousers with the appropriate buttons at a price I am willing to pay, and as I am not motivated enough (that's PCSpeak for "I'm to darn lazy") to sew buttons onto ordinary trousers, I shall just have to go on living on the edge Gotta get excitement from somewhere now that PD's come between me and my long held (but never actually worked towards) intention of running with the bulls at Pamplona. Ah well, the sun also rises on PWP. Dennis. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Anibal <[log in to unmask]> >I can't help but wonder. Did you ever consider suspenders, or as the Brits >call them braces. ?? .....................