hi all in re pet tales i looked up 'stubby' [my goofiest cat's name] in the pd list archives at simon coles' web site at: http://new.parkinsons.org.uk/index.htm i unearthed a couple of cat-tails which i will hold in reserve and re-post as indicated along with the thread of a cyber conversation called 'hard times' it struck me that the discussion there might be of some help to bob in his current 'job' crisis co-incidence? chance? luck? nope there are no accidents --- A discovery is said to be an accident meeting a prepared mind. Albert Szent-Gyorgyi --- In a dark time, the eye begins to see. Theodore Roethke --- i have posted the 'hard times' thread separately janet