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Ken, Your old man should have met my son's young friend. This young man and his uncle were using a small chainsaw to trim a tree. The young man said the blade was getting dull, and his uncle told him to use the top as it must be sharper than the bottom. The young man tried cutting up instead of down, since the top had not been used it must be sharper. He hit a knot, and the saw went downward uncontrolable and hit his leg. Some people will never learn. "don't forget how to laugh, and do it often" [log in to unmask] http://members.tripod.com/~marling