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Hi Bruce, The WORST POSSIBLE thing a person with low back pain can do is go to a neurosurgeon! Have I got your and everyones attention. This is not my advice, I read it in a book about back pain. And I took the advice in tha book and solved back pain that 10 doctors and 20 drugs did not help. It is a long story which I have told to the list before, but if you are interested I will go into it again. What follows is not that, but some additional information I want to put out to the list. A little lesson in back(muscle) pain. This will give you a clue as to what I did to help myself. If a muscle, or group of muscles is not used, the blood does not flow. When blood does not flow, lactic acid (I hope that's the correct word) builds up in the muscles, and the acid causes pain. So the obvious answer is to cause blood to flow to cleanse away the poisons that have built up in the muscles. I learned this from doctors at the pain clinic at Emory Hosp in Atlanta. Sounds simple dosen't it? I am not sure that it is that easy, but I think it is worth thinking about. Lanier Maddux 63/1