I've been dealing with the lack of content in FYComp for quite a while now, and I agree that it is a central problem. Any content you mandate is clearly mandated by the instructor, and arbitrary to a certain extent (ok, maybe to a lot of extent). Students know this, and they are frankly resistant. But FYComp seems centrally inportant to me for the following reasons: * For many undergraduates, it's the only course where they're dealing with a small number of people, who they actually get to know. As such, it serves a MAJOR acclimatizing role within the university. * FYComp provides an avenue where people can learn about discourse communities in general, and the discourse communities of the university in particular. It provides a venue for us to make explicit some of the teacit assumptions of other disciplines, other professors. It's a way to say, "Hey! This isn't high school!" in very tangible ways. I'm not sure FYComp is the best place to accomplish those objectives -- but I think they're important ones. If those of us south of the border abolished FYComp, we'd need to come up with some way to answer those objectives in another way. Marcy =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Marcy Bauman Writing Program, University of Michigan-Dearborn 4901 Evergreen Rd, Dearborn, MI 48128 fax: 313-593-5552 http://www.umd.umich.edu/~marcyb [log in to unmask] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=