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hi bruce you wrote, in part >...name any industry. There are going to be abuses against >individuals by companies in that industry. It's just the way of things... the key words here for me as a canadian with mid-atlantic experience are 'companies' and 'industry' in simplistic terms, as i understand it, health care in ontario [my experience] was established on the premise of providing the best posible health care to all ontario citizens regardless of their financial status or ability to pay viz i am receiving 'family benefits' [meaning i am leaning on society for assistance because i'm broke] pending disability pension approval under these conditions i pay nothing for medical appointments and only $2.00 for every prescription filled admitting to my need and 'facing the music' was one of the hardest things i've ever had to do [stubborn stubborn pride] but what a blessing and what a relief to know that non-judgmental help was there for the asking without getting into the financial nitty gritties of 'socialized health care' the society we each live in has to consciously make the decision as to whether to live as a 'family' or as 'rugged individuals' are we our siblings' keepers or not? the ethic of 'rugged individualism' is an illusion per scott peck: "...the reality is that we do not exist either by or for ourselves. If I think with integrity at all, I have to recognize immediately that my life is nurtured not only by the earth and the rain and the sun but also by farmers, publishers, and booksellers, as well as by my children, wife, friends, and teachers - indeed by the entire fabric of family, society, and creation. I am not solely an individual. I am interdependent, and much of the time I do not even have the right to act 'ruggedly' ." in simplistic terms, as i understand it, any corporation's primary goal is profits for its shareholders regardless of its field of endeavour the idea of a profit motive being the sole basis for health care sends shivers down my spine in the same way that a profit motive being the sole basis for education does or taking it all a bit further a profit motive being the sole basis for life does janet janet paterson - 51/10 - almonte/ontario/canada http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/janet/ [log in to unmask]