Ken, You got it!! I believe (after 5 + years of counselling and who knows how many books read, and friends who can give so much advice), that first a person must be able to recognize that they are angry. Then take that energy and do something good with it. I was taught very early that being angry was bad. Anger is uncontrolable. Anger hurts everyone. If you get angry then you are bad. I have had to get rid of that. I have had to learn that it is ok to be angry. When I get angry then I can redirect that energy and use it. Either I write, make speeches, mobilize people to do something, or I get a clean house. More often than nought, I get a clean house. If you could see my house, you would think I never get angry. lol It is clean in spurts, once the energy is gone, I don't do anymore cleaning. "don't forget how to laugh, and do it often" [log in to unmask] http://members.tripod.com/~marling