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Janet, I agree with your statement:

"the common denominator on the 'no' side
>for me at least
>for now at least
>seems to be deliberate and conscious acts of cruelty"

However, The joke didn't seem (to me) that "Ethel" considered herself being
deliberately treated with cruelty.

So, I rest my case, "to each his own".  Thank you for also sharing your
opinion.

Sharon Starr   (Florence, AZ)   Daughter and CG of Rae   74/50/45
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-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Paterson <[log in to unmask]>
To: Multiple recipients of list PARKINSN <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: "Ethel Joke"


>hi sharon
>
>you wrote, in part:
>>... I am one that found the "Ethel" joke to be very funny.
>>... "She" is a fictional character in a joke, for God's sake.
>>What we are talking about here, is an adult joke, NOT
>>"victimization"...Those of us on the List are neither children
>>nor ignorant adults who are likely to believe that "telling or
>>laughing at an adult joke" is the same as  "condoning the
>>behavior"....The pendulum of "Politically Correct" has swung
>>far enough, it's time to push it back a ways....And yes, I
>>have found some "wife-beating" jokes to be quite humorous,
>>and I have been the victim of abuse. However, when I became
>>able to laugh about it, I could see the underlying problem clearly
>>for the first time. Laughter was the catalyst to my "healing"...
>
>i have listened to all opinions expressed so far
>i can laugh at most things
>adult or juvenile or subtle or coarse or 'sick' or...
>
>but i still feel uneasy about the 'victimization' point that was made
>maybe each one of us has a comfort 'line' in a slightly different place
>
>mine seems to be situated about here:
>
>jokes about sex yes / jokes about rape no
>jokes about jewish ethnicity yes / jokes about auschwitz no
>jokes about silly pet tricks yes / jokes about pit bull fighting no
>jokes about bad driving yes / jokes about drunk driving no
>
>the common denominator on the 'no' side
>for me at least
>for now at least
>seems to be deliberate and conscious acts of cruelty
>
>janet
>
>janet paterson - 51 now / 41 dx / 37 onset - almonte/ontario/canada
>http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/janet/
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