Janet, I agree with your statement: "the common denominator on the 'no' side >for me at least >for now at least >seems to be deliberate and conscious acts of cruelty" However, The joke didn't seem (to me) that "Ethel" considered herself being deliberately treated with cruelty. So, I rest my case, "to each his own". Thank you for also sharing your opinion. Sharon Starr (Florence, AZ) Daughter and CG of Rae 74/50/45 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Janet Paterson <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list PARKINSN <[log in to unmask]> Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 2:05 AM Subject: Re: "Ethel Joke" >hi sharon > >you wrote, in part: >>... I am one that found the "Ethel" joke to be very funny. >>... "She" is a fictional character in a joke, for God's sake. >>What we are talking about here, is an adult joke, NOT >>"victimization"...Those of us on the List are neither children >>nor ignorant adults who are likely to believe that "telling or >>laughing at an adult joke" is the same as "condoning the >>behavior"....The pendulum of "Politically Correct" has swung >>far enough, it's time to push it back a ways....And yes, I >>have found some "wife-beating" jokes to be quite humorous, >>and I have been the victim of abuse. However, when I became >>able to laugh about it, I could see the underlying problem clearly >>for the first time. Laughter was the catalyst to my "healing"... > >i have listened to all opinions expressed so far >i can laugh at most things >adult or juvenile or subtle or coarse or 'sick' or... > >but i still feel uneasy about the 'victimization' point that was made >maybe each one of us has a comfort 'line' in a slightly different place > >mine seems to be situated about here: > >jokes about sex yes / jokes about rape no >jokes about jewish ethnicity yes / jokes about auschwitz no >jokes about silly pet tricks yes / jokes about pit bull fighting no >jokes about bad driving yes / jokes about drunk driving no > >the common denominator on the 'no' side >for me at least >for now at least >seems to be deliberate and conscious acts of cruelty > >janet > >janet paterson - 51 now / 41 dx / 37 onset - almonte/ontario/canada >http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/janet/ >[log in to unmask] >