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hi kathie you couldn't be more wrong about my reasons for sniffing out 'rats' and jumping on snake oil promoters i have no quibbles or qualms whatsoever with any 'natural' or 'alternative' therapies for anything what i do have a major quibble with is anyone who is not being straightforward about their financial interest in a product that they actively promote to a circle of supposed friends or co-sufferers without revealing that financial interest if someone recommends something without any personal gain that's honesty and objectivity if someone recommends something with any personal gain revealed that's honesty and subjectivity if someone recommends something with any personal gain concealed that's dis-honesty and subjectivity masquerading as objectivity please note that all of the above opinions are mine alone and that my complaint is to do with the presentation not the product your cyber-sibling janet janet paterson - 51 now / 41 dx / 37 onset - almonte/ontario/canada http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/janet/ [log in to unmask]