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I feel that is one of the hardest things to figure out with pwp. Keep trying, those of us who live with someone who has PD, deal with this everyday. Men, I think, have a hard time with their macho image(wait til you see the e-mails I get on this one) and cannot express their feelings, all they see is they are not perfect(like they ever were in the first place), Seriously, the barrier will fall, it will just need you to keep on trying to knock it down. Good Luck, Gerry Haines ([log in to unmask])59/12