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hi all at the risk of sounding like a broken record beating a dead horse which is stuck in a rut every message ever posted to this list since its creation in november 1993 by barbara patterson is available: either: on the wwweb by using the search engine provided by simon coles at: <http://james.parkinsons.org.uk/> or: via e-mail to the list-server computer at the university of toronto [thanks to judith for the reminder!] please note: the latter is not for the faint-of-heart or for the disk-space-disadvantaged; messages are only retrievable by date [i.e. not searchable by subject] and by 'lumps' of one week's worth of messages at a time these 'lumps' can sometimes be as big as almost one megabyte in size; depending on some settings, they may prove indigestible to some internet service providers or to some e-mail software if you need more info on retrieving old messages from the list-server please don't hesitate to contact me in re "blue glasses" and "tom reiss" use those phrases as search terms at the 'james' site to get an inkling of just how much work tom has done in this area janet janet paterson - 51 now /41 dx /37 onset - almonte/ontario/canada http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/janet/ [log in to unmask]