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Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. There may NOT be an Ivan problem, but there ALSO IS an Ivan problem, which can be SOLVED, quickly, by the simple expedient of everyone here who cares about the man & what he has done this year for the cause, and/OR seeks a solution to a moral dilemma that might make them feel good, sending him a decent size check. Problem solved for him for however long the money lasts. Meanwhile, work on the societal issue. Just don't volunteer to be the collector - you might be accused of "commercializing" the List, like I was. Just E-mail him privately and ask him for his address. No intention to pick on Camilla and Rita From: Camilla Flintermann <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Medicaid pays caregivers only $9.00 for ENTIRE nig > > I agree here also-- there is Ivan, whom we know of and worry about, but how > many Ivans are there out there? It is a BIG problem, because just to take > up a "collection" from Ivan's (or anyone's ) friends would not solve the > longtime problem of continuing care needed by anyone in this situation. > The resources to deal with these problems have to come from "society" or > "government", > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Medicaid pays caregivers only $9.00 for ENTIRE night > This is not an Ivan problem, this is a societal issue that good economic times > are not easy times to hire menial (however important) tasks. The need is for >