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hi Jerry I tried to go to the chat room and ran into 2 problems 1. the system locked up. When I ended task for my virus scanner, pc-cillin, the loading continued and then locked up again 2. in lower left hand corner i got the following error message: Load: class GUIClaim not found and then the system locked up again. I have a gateway P5-75 mHz system BTW, I continue to answer questions that come to me through the web page. My plan is to polish them up a bit around the holidays and then put them up on the web page. tim hodgens