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I don't want to cause any more trouble but it seems to me that alienating and confusing people should be our very least intention. Don, I for one, think that your every post is valuable & worthwhile. You & Ivan & Kees are an inspiration to us all! Ivan, I wish you could come to me house to spend the holidays-the door is always open, buddy-if you ever make it to the Midwest!Kees-your story about having to go to the bathroom when you're "off" was just about priceless-when I think about all of the expended energy I waste for modesty's sake...when what I would really like to do is walk around in my underwear!!! Might scare the kids! These are exactly the kinds of stories that I take from the list and savor & pull out when I find myself in that situation.These are the stories that get me through my days. I'm having a hard time dealing with the polarization of the list & I'm not looking forward to being brought to task in front of the whole class for not posting like I ought to. Could we find it our hearts to give it a rest?~for the holidays, at least? God Bless Us Everyone! IYQ Joan (47-8)