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this is mostly directe at you john, from a puzzled list member what we did before was 1. ask barb if we could join 2. when she said yes we could post or lurk as we wished 3.we had a page of commands for the listserver-to use as needed 4. we could leave if we wanted to 5. our messages to the list were archived 6. simon had a place with old messages i think it is something like james.parkinsons.org.uk Q1 who read our list messages q2 of course we could send anyone's message anywhere Q3 who could play in the archives Q4is ivan over reacting? big Q5 essentally what has changed? puzzled