Ken-- thank you for saying what you did. I believe Ivan may e too hurt and depressed to be reading the list right now, and I hope you will send him a copy of what you wrote. He needs to know that Hilary is not the only one who appreciates his efforts on behalf of all PWPs. Camilla Flintermann, <[log in to unmask]> CG for Peter, 80/70/55 co-owner, CARE list http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/camilla/one.htm "If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. " ----Abraham Maslow