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hi terrie At 23:56 1999/01/31 EST, you wrote: >I heartily applaud both Dale and Dennis's replies to Ivan. I rarely post my >opinions to the entire listserv, emailing the individual, instead. But Ivan, >really, you are just too much!!! I have, over the course of 3 years, heard >enough about your soap-opera life, to the point that I dread even seeing your >name in my mailbox. You seem to me to be one of the most egotistical, >narcissistic & self-centered people I know. Do you honestly think you are the >most deprived, abused, poverty stricken, severely impaired PWP on this list??? >Well, think again!! The majority of us are on disability, many living alone, >just as many with incomes equal to or lower than yours (mine is lower than >yours, by the way), many just as angry and bitter about the hand they've been >dealt BUT.......DO YOU HEAR THEM COMPLAINING???? I sure don't, particularly >not for over 3 years. >My suggestion to you, besides giving us all a break with this irrational >tirade, is to get some professional psychiatric help. You sound very much >out of control. >Terrie W. Whitling 44/16 if ivan seems 'very much out of control' to you it seems odd to me that you would criticize his actions and judge his character i'm caught in a quandary who the heck are you to judge ivan? but who the heck am i to judge you? if you dread seeing someone's messages why do you read them? are we not allowed to complain, to express frustration and despair? is ivan not allowed? are you not allowed? am i not allowed? i think the catch is venting anger is not much of a help examining it and attempting to understand its origins can be we are not permitted to wail and weep like children so our modes of expression of pain can get convoluted i wrote 'pain' in response to what i derived from ivan's messages pain and anger can blind us make us lash out but i can choose to lash back or not i can choose to interpret the expressed pain as directed at me or as affecting me in some way or not learning to love ourselves first and each other second are the most important things we can do and the hardest judging is inherently unforgiving loving is inherently forgiving loving is for giving janet janet paterson - 51 now /41 dx /37 onset - almonte/ontario/canada http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/janet/index.htm [log in to unmask]