Dear Miss Janet, Welcome back, its nice to see your comments on the list. I missed them and the are so very kind and loving, that most anyone can see. In your posting of 3 Feb Subject: Subbatical over Item 5; you wrote in part: Thats the only way I can learn ...forgiving their mistakes... We are not here to make mistakes; we are here to learn from our mistakes. For me the best way I can forgive others their mistakes is to FIRST forgive myself for making mistakes. Then I can love others as myself and forgive them for their mistakes. It has to start within me, or as St francis said "Let it begin with me" We should not be so hard on ourselfs. Your fellow list member. Stacy PS nice to have you ,,,back!