Judith (I hope you are at least lurking), I disagree that the list has become as "dull as mud" we have more things going on here than Mother Goose has stories. I LOVE THIS LIST and I think you do too. Don't leave us now. you are too important to the value of this list. I am sure you realize by now just how big of a part of this list you are. Bob Chapman 65/61/50 California Desert