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Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:30:00 -0700 "Robert A. Fink, M.D." <[log in to unmask]> in respons to Ivan writing: > So Bob, I am not bragging. I am not complaining. I am just talking to > you. It's too bad you can't seem to accept me as I am. I am proud to be > gay, and share it joyously, as other Listmembers share their joys, > whatever they might be. Bob wrote in part: >>>>> It deals with the concept of being "proud" (see above about being "proud to be gay"). It doesn't make any sense to me to be "proud" to be gay, any more that I should feel "proud" at being heterosexual. Being gay or "straight" is not something we *acquire*; for most of us (there are some exceptions), it is the way we were born. <<<<< Hello Bob, I agree with you that something you were born with, is no reason to be proud that you have that quality. But I think Ivan (f.e.) can be proud in the sense that he is open about it to the outside world. That's not easy in a world that is so judgemental towards gays and lesbians. BTW did you know that since januari 1999 the Netherlands is the first and only country in the world where it is legally possible for a mail (cq a female) couple to get married!!! Hans.