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Charlie, Camilla, Ivan, et all, As a good team-person I go with the democratic way of thinking and I support the general consensus. Sorry if I tread on toes - this criticising thing is fairly new to me (this is the spot where I go on and blame the PD, medication, the San Andreas Fault or anything else). I have never been a street fighter, so I do not do too well at it. I will not be the next person to come out of my corner with guns blazing for what Ivan has done/said/implied. I will sit back & watch him go ahead, split the group into small groups again, with everybody blaming everybody else. (Why is he immune to the unifying thing that all of the rest of us clamours about?) Every couple of weeks the story repeats itself - with Ivan as the instigator, a different plot, with the role players scrambled. This time I played the role of the bad cop, with no Oscar nomination. I can not see any benefit to this modus operandi of Ivan, even if he does it for a pre-medicated(PD-medicated?) reason. I will keep this and refer you to it some time in the future, without the "I told you so" Getting back to the intended topic - let us all give our full support to this project. If anyone has a South African telephone number to reach the offices of the Archbishop (I should be able to find it if nobody else already has it in their little black(?) book), I will telephone them to get the message across through a different avenue. I can also then alert the local press and the South African Parkinson Association - If everyone agrees this is the route to be taken. Regards. Gerrit Kleynscheldt Tel: 021 947 8918 (International +27 21 947 8918) Fax: 021 947 1521 (International +27 21 947 1521) Please note the following: Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.