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i imagine we are all getting messages from you, Don. some of us do not have much to say others are not inclined to type maybe you would enjoy chatting. there is more responsse immediately if there arre several chatting i do not like to chat - partly because i seldom find anyone home. also i do not like to tie up phone line too much. best wishes to you and Vivian -- Ron Vetter 1936, '84 PD dz [log in to unmask] http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~rfvetter