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hi all At 09:40 1999/07/20 -0700, ron wrote: >depression does not have to be clinical depression >to cloud up perception!... absolutely! i guess i 'define' the difference between the two in terms of their duration to me depression is feeling bad about something specific and real and tends to be days or weeks in duration clinical depression [cd] is feeling bad, or even worse, indifferent, about everything and tends to be months or years in duration >it may be that withdrawal from being >captain of my ship and master of my fate >is the first step toward death... the perception that i am not captain of my ship the realization that i never was master of my fate the acceptance that birth is the first step toward death all of the above can be hard to take they can involve changing the way we think any change is scary but changing our perception of our reality is very scary [why the heck were we thinking the other way to start with?] janet janet paterson 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset snail-mail: PO Box 171 Almonte Ontario K0A 1A0 Canada website: a new voice <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> e-mail: <[log in to unmask]>