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At 12:29 1999/08/06 +0800, you wrote: >To: Janet and Barbara >cc: the list >Janet wrote, on behalf of herself and Barbara > >> if any member of this list >> attacks, harasses or 'flames' another member of this list >> please be assured that the attacker will be summarily booted off the list >> and the internet service provider serving the offending list member >> will be informed of their offensive behaviour > >Whilst I'm agree with what you are saying in principle, I am extremely >concerned at how this will work in practice. As written you appear to >be saying that anyone deemed to be guilty of the offences listed above >will be removed from the list, at your sole discretion and no questions >asked, on their first offence... i agree that as written it is quite strongly worded and probably needs to be mellowed and clarified just a little we had quite a heated reaction to the repeat offense by a non-member [!] from afar [!] after two years [!] and that reaction may have spilled over just a tad bit as a start and off the top of this weary head i would add 'persists in' and i would remove 'summarily' thus resulting in: >> if any member of this list persists in >> attacking, harassing or 'flaming' another member of this list >> please be assured that the attacker will be booted off the list also: personal attack = clearly unwelcome and uninvited also: as a first response to such an attack made by private e-mail i would hope that public posting of same would be a deterrent by removing the 'secrecy' aspect a second response?? a third?? my instinct suggests "three strikes and you're out" it's not something we've had to think about too much and i wish we didn't have to think about it at all >Therefore - >I hereby formally request that Janet and Barbara reconsider their position >in the light of the following comments: >There is a world of difference between saying - "Dear so-'n-so please cut >back on your postings about bats (cats, dogs, guinea pigs) because they are >driving me batty" - and "Dear so-'n-so I think you are an idiot for posting >so many messages about bats (etc) so stop doing it." The first is a simple, >and in my view legitimate request. The second is definitely attacking and >the attacker should be warned that they are jeopardising their membership of >the list if they persist. People who make a habit of such postings should >then be booted. Summary booting off at the time of a first offence should >surely be reserved for attacks of a serious nature." request duly received, noted, and minuted for consideration aka yup! yup! yup! >Janet - you and I enjoyed some quite heated exchanges of view when we first >met on this list. We expressed some strongly worded views on each others >arguments and occasionally both of us (wrongly) strayed across the mark into >personal comment The contributions we have subsequently made to this list >were shaped in part by those exchanges, yet if Barbara had applied the >criteria you are now apparently applying neither of us would be here today. i don't recall ever describing you as batty maybe your arguments, but never you, dennis! >Janet - I know you love this list - but I truly believe that if you don't >build some flexibility into your current stand you will change it beyond >recognition. I can't believe that is your intent. you are right on all counts and i appreciate your time and your concern hey do you want to volunteer to write our upcoming Mission Statement and Manifesto? not to mention the Code of Ethics and also our Acceptable Use Policy and oh yes i forgot about the Medical Disclaimer and yikes the Ninety-Day-All-Parts-And-Labour-Satisfaction-Guarantee and last but definitely not least the all encompassing Your-Money-Cheerfully-Refunded-If-Not-Completely-Satisfied as a trade, i offer my editing services in re your signature: >There's nothing wrong with me! thanks dg jp mist lom in the misty early morning janet paterson 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset snail-mail: PO Box 171 Almonte Ontario K0A 1A0 Canada website: a new voice <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> e-mail: <[log in to unmask]>