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Barb, Thanks for the try at least to get the "Brass tacks" out to us. Don't you hate when that happens. Always when you are near finished never at the beginning. I agree that personal attacks on members of the list are not called for. David does tend to inflame (and flame) people. I was not aware that he was "banished" from the list but I certainly can understand the reasons for doing so and might well have done the same if I were in your position. The point I am trying to make is outside of that kind activity, I see little reason for any censorship at all. I think peer pressure is the best way to limit what the group sees as offensive or out of line. When you or Janet comment it has to be taken more than casually since you have the ultimate say. With you I have felt comfortable that you will- as you have done once or twice- gently reign me in where as Janet tends to come down hard on those that differ from her especially on concept of the list and cites you as the list mother. Are we guests in your house or family? Is this our clubhouse with- you holding the mortgage (having the ultimate say which is rarely acted upon- like major remodeling)- or your house with us as guests ? I think these questions need to be answered so that we all know the ground rules. I think of us more as a family living together in cyberspace. We are not guests. We don't need to hold our tongues when we see something wrong (within limits). We can say the beer is warm or the chili is cold without fear of becoming social outcasts. Sorry to put you in this position but I think the answers will clarify a lot for many of us. Charlie Barbara Patterson wrote: > Hi, group. Last night about midnight, after our guests (who are both > retired) left, I had composed the absolutely perfect response to > yesterday's 'discussion'....then my system crashed and I lost it all. > So, here's my not-so-perfect attempt this morning (while waiting for meds & > coffee kick in). So, here's my $0.02 (Canadian..which is roughly equal > to $0.015 US or $0.0198 Australian). > > The 'brass tack' message that Janet posted was discussed by us both via > email and in person and agreed to it. Now, these 'tacks' have been > around for a while so, if you've survived this long, you should be safe. > > The attacks' on a member would not be debatable...they would be obvious. > When our absent member replied to Carole's message off-list, it was mild > compared to what he did to members before he left' the list. Each time > some members of the list posted a message, it was immediately followed by > a sarcastic comment by him either on or off list. It was so bad that some > of his victims have never posted a message since. I could never > understand what happened with him to change him from the person who wrote > absolutely wonderful, witty things to someone who wrote only angry & > sarcastic messages. When he posted his good-bye' message, I was sad & > angry & relieved. When I saw that he had not unsubscribed, I deleted > him. I could be wrong about the sequence of events at that time, but > that's how I remember it. > > Any and all discussion about use of the Parkinsn list is welcomed. I > know I would not be interested in a list that discussed nothing but > medications and surgeries...nor would I be interested in a list with ONLY > or even MOSTLY humour. This list was created so we could learn and teach > and support each other while we battle pd. The precise balance of humour > and information has about 1800 definitions which vary daily. It will > NEVER satisfy all of the people all of the time. > > More on defining what the list is later this morning but please be > assured that we are taking everyone's viewpoint seriously...and, > Kathryn...no one in their right mind would ignore Charlie...:) Barb > > ============================================================================ > Barbara Patterson [log in to unmask] > HSC 2J22 905-525-9140, ext. 22403 > School of Nursing > ============================================================================ -- ****************************************************************************************** Charles T. Meyer, M.D. Middleton (Madison), Wisconsin [log in to unmask] ******************************************************************************************