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Janet, Do you feel my comments to be an attack on you as a person? janet paterson wrote: > hi all > > yep, i guess i got your attention that time! > > life is complex > life is difficult > everything is given to us to learn from > including and especially 'disturbing' and 'distasteful' issues > > currently > there are several layers of this miraculous medium > getting all mixed up together and then some > here is my effort at clarity: > > 1. 1800 OPINIONS > > there has been controversy about humour of any kind on the list > that will never be resolved > one member's final straw > is another's annoyance > is another's lifeline > is another's delight > > 1A. LISTOWNER RESPONSE > > this list is here to support people with parkinson's > we offer it to them on an as needed basis > please use it within our guidelines > > 2. PERSONAL ATTACKS > > telling someone their postings/opinions/jokes are disgusting > is one thing > telling someone they are disgusting > is quite another > > criticize the acts not the actee > > i may do "-----" things at times > but it does not follow that i am "-----" all the time > or that i am a "-----" person > > most thinking people can discern the difference between the two > especially when it is pointed out to them > > definition of the word 'attack' is in the hands of the 'attackee' > if i feel like i've been attacked > i have been attacked > period > > 2B.LISTOWNER RESPONSE > > personal attacks are not allowed here > > the 'three strikes and you're out' concept appeals > > barb and i as listowners have the final call > > we may or may not appeal to the list for input > depending on the circumstances > > our 'bias', if any, will be pro attackee > > listmembers are here to offer up their vulnerabilities: > it is our first responsibility to honour that and to protect it > > 3. PRIVATE PERSONAL ATTACKS > > making a personal attack may be an act of ignorance > making a private personal attack is a calculated act of cowardice > > cowards act in secret > intimidation and manipulation > is their aim and their source of power in their own twisted minds > > using an 'open but private' forum like the pd list > where members have willingly exposed their hurts and their pain > to gain access to potential 'victims' > is a particularly ugly aspect of that manipulation > > persistent unwelcome and uninvited private personal communication > constitutes more than an attack > it is a crime > otherwise known as abuse, stalking, etc > and is not permitted by responsible internet service providers > > one very effective way to defuse the perpetrator's 'power' > both in the perpetrator's and in the victim's perception > is to eliminate the secrecy > bring the slime out into the light of day > and deal with it openly > > charlie's points about 'dysfunctional' family problems > come home to roost on this issue > > 3A. LISTOWNER RESPONSE > > private personal attacks are not allowed here > see 2A above > > 4. LIST STRUCTURE > > see earlier posts on 'you are cordially invited' > > janet > up to her armpits in dishes > > janet paterson > 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset > snail-mail: PO Box 171 Almonte Ontario K0A 1A0 Canada > website: a new voice <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> > e-mail: <[log in to unmask]> -- ****************************************************************************************** Charles T. Meyer, M.D. Middleton (Madison), Wisconsin [log in to unmask] ******************************************************************************************