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All, RE your response: That means that all have the right to state their opinions of everything including the list IMHO and how to change it if is felt necessary. That might be voluntary rather than involuntary restrictions. Just letting people know that a topic is becoming offensive or too much of a good thing might be enough if the individual was open to feedback. If it is important to them they might elect to continue it anyway. But at least they are getting feedback. Carole didn't get much negative feedback until she was broadsided by David. Carole you were new to the list and presumed that was the way people interacted here. I didn't say anything to you so I have no right to bitch at you and indeed I am not angry at you- any more than I am angry at John, Camilla and other "pig lovers". I just deleted and deleted. I hope you stay and contribute and learn. And if you want yell at my opinions including this one. But my major concern is the voice of authority saying " No arguing about list structure. The issue is closed". That is akin to the banning of a dissenting party in a democracy even when they plan peaceful change. I disagree that the list is not democratic. IMHO, it is democratic because that is how Barb wants it to be. While we are her "guests" she has chosen to let us within limits of propriety do what we choose to do and not interfere. I have not heard Barb say that any subject is out of bounds including "the list" and until I hear that I will continue to- I hope tactfully but honestly state my opinions. Charlie janet paterson wrote: > hi all > > At 10:27 1999/08/05 -0500, charlie wrote, in part: > >I think that the main difference between us has to do with the > >conception of there being a bus driver or not.... > > i agree with you > > >And intentions of that driver. Yes there is a bus driver but > >IMHO she (Barb Patterson) has elected to allow us to drive the > >bus ourselves except in rare cases where an executive decision > >has to be made. This allows for wide latitude and certainly > >criticism of the process. If I am wrong I would like to hear > >it from her... > > action and inaction can speak as well as words > as you have suggested > > the list structure has not been changed in four years > except for one small modification > which was reversed after a few months trial > > this list structure is not a democracy > it is a form of hospitality > > you may have interpreted my waxing eloquent > about the whole concept of e-mail and mailing lists > in a way that i did not intend > > the democratic aspect of same is part of what appeals to me > by which i mean > no one can shout me down > no one can butt in > no one can heckle me > i can take the time to express myself as i want to be heard > i can have the time to express myself as i want to be heard > with one caveat > as long as i agree to behave by the house rules > > maybe this aspect appeals more to women than to men > due to our societal role baggage > > janet > > janet paterson > 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset > snail-mail: PO Box 171 Almonte Ontario K0A 1A0 Canada > website: a new voice <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> > e-mail: <[log in to unmask]> -- ****************************************************************************************** Charles T. Meyer, M.D. Middleton (Madison), Wisconsin [log in to unmask] ******************************************************************************************