On Thu 12 Aug, Ida & Andre Kamphuis wrote: > Hello Ida, thanks for your reply. (By the way, if you have trouble with the technical words and phrases, think what it is like for an Engineer like me!) Perhaps it is good in one way, because any model which I dream up HAS to be simple or I can't handle it. I work on the principle that If the model can give a plausible account of some phenomenon that is an encouraging result, so then I throw another set of observations at the same model. If the model falters at explaining this new data, then out goes the model, and I try from a different angle. My present model has been stable for some time, and seems to be able to explain everything that I can find. - Perhaps you might consider my 'explanation' of end-of-dose dyskinesia. First, let me say that I am talking about my experience, which is a good deal milder than yours. At 21 years since diagnosis, I can reproduce (in myself) just about every symptom you like, and I found one or two years ago, that I was beginning to experience the end of dose or wearing off symptoms .The key point though is that by referring to my model, I was able to understand the problem and devise a technique to avoid it. My model calls for me to take the minimum quantity of levodopa required to control the PD Symptoms- Unless obstructed by forces such as Dyskinesias. I then back off a shade, freeze the levodopa at that level, and as the PD deteriorates further, I make up for the shortage of dopamine by adding Permax to my diet. I reached the limit of levodopa 6 years ago, and currently take exactly the same levodopa (75 mg every 2 hours) as I was taking then, Plus 5 mg of Permax. I find it necessary to increase the Permax by 0.5 mg every 6 months. A key element of my model is that in a normal person, an excess of levodopa to the brain has absolutely no effect, the reason being that the other (healthy) dopamine-producing cells shut down some of their capacity to compensate for the extra tablet-induced dopamine. in other words, the system is what I as an engineer would call a closed-loop control system, dedicated to controlling the rate of flow of dopamine to the appropriate synapses at just the right level. A healthy brain will never experience an excess flow of dopamine in its entire life, and I believe has no defences against it. Now we come to the PWP. let's say like you and me, with few if any natural dopamine producing cells,and only getting dopamine via tablets. Now you and I have studied our system requirements vey carefully, but there are limits to the accuracy with which we can feed our system with levodopa:- I found that I seemed to be producing just a little too much dopamine through the day. Now the brain controls the Dopamine flow by holding unwanted dopamine in dopamine receptors until it is required, or decomposes and is re-cycled. these dopamine receptors have been holding-back dopamine all day - very gradually, but enough. So we arrive at the point where you have taken our last tablet, and some time later, the dopamine receptors decide that if they don't release the dopamine which they are holding, they are going to burst! Also, they cannot do their job if they are stuffed to the gills, so the dopamine is expelled in a great cloud and starts creating the dyskinesias which we know so well. How did I stop it? - the timing of the event was much the same each day so I simply did not take the last tablet before the event. This allowed some of the dopamine to leak away, and once there were some vacant receptors, the control system was back in business. I am sorry to be so long-winded but if you have any thoughts on the above (or you might like to read the proper story on http://james.parkinsons.org.uk/brian.htm I would value your comments. Regards, -- Brian Collins <[log in to unmask]>