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Dear Bev, With all due respect, I feel that creationism is pseudoscientific. It is arrived at by starting with a conclusion which is religiously based and working backwards to find supporting data and it ignoring contrary important information. It has no place in a scientific curriculum. You state that your faith would be stretched to the breaking point if it were proven that man evolved from lower forms of life. I think creationists feel the same way and therefore make the data fit their conclusions. I am sorry that you feel so threatened by modern science. I guess I get so upset about the actions of the Kansas Board of Education because understanding of science is necessary to an informed society and the ultimate conquering of diseases like PD. The scientific method is the key to this understanding. The Bible is a religious document, not a historical or scientific one. IMHO it contains much moral wisdom but not scientifically provable information. Church and State need to be kept apart. While respect needs to be given to those whose religious beliefs conflict with their religious teachings that respect should not include the inclusion of pseudoscience or the de-emphasis of a cornerstone of modern biology. Carrying things to their logical conclusion- maybe in this multicultural society- we ought to teach other creation stories as possible theories that need to be considered. After all this is not just a Christian nation but it contains many peoples of different backgrounds and beliefs. You can believe anything you want and I will defend your right to do that but when you bring religion into public schools that is where your rights stop. If you would like we can continue this discussion privately rather than taking up the list space. Charlie Merlin H Brown wrote: > 1st of all, I want to apologize for sending this e-mail to the entire > list. I try not to use this list for NON PD issues and I was originally > planning on simply responding directly to the two who began this > conversation. However, I feel strongly enough about the offensive nature > of this conversation to post to everyone who might have read the > originals. Following is my response: > > I was very offended by your post and decided to respond to you directly. > I would probably fall under your category of "fanatics." I happen to > believe that God created the earth and all that is in it without the help > of evolution. My faith would be stretched to the breaking point to > believe that the human body could have evolved from another life form. > It says in Hebrews 10:26 in the New Testament of the Bible, "By faith we > understand that the worlds were framed by the WORD of GOD, so that the > things which are seen were NOT made of things which are visible." In > other words, God simply spoke the world into existence -- He didn't use > life forms or anything else already present in the universe. > > I have read a few books on the subject of creation science vs. evolution. > From what I have read, and what I learned in college, the fossil record > does not support evolution. It does, however, support creation. In all > the many years we have been looking for the missing link -- it has never > been discovered. I would submit that the reason it has never been > discovered is because it just doesn't exist. There are some > well-respected, non-Christian, scientists, who find evolution very > suspect. If you would like the names and authors of these books, please > let me know and I will get them to you. > > Now I understand that you may not believe what I believe and that is O.K. > with me. I'm not asking that you believe in creation over evolution. > However, for years, we as Christians have tried to get a balance in the > science curriculum, but to no avail. Even though evolution is still > considered a theory, it has been taught as fact. I DO think that > evolution should be taught, but only as a theory -- right along with the > theory of creation. > > And just for the record -- I do believe that the world IS round, the > earth DOES revolve around the sun, gravity DOES exist, and the moon is > NOT made of green cheese. > > Thanks for listening...Bev Brown > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dick Swindler <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:40:22 EDT > Subject: Re: Non PD - True ? > Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> > > Joao Paulo - > > As a resident of Kansas, I can tell you that the furor over this issue is > just beginning. We have reason to hope that this resolution will be shot > down in the courts. Meanwhile, most educators will continue to teach > science > just as they always have, complete with theory of evolution. > > It might interest you to know that you weren't far wrong in thinking next > they'd be saying the world is flat. I understand that this group of > fanatics > asserts that the theory of gravity is "not proven," and may indeed > believe > that the earth is the center of the solar system. > > The school board members who voted this, after being deadlocked on the > issue > for 2-1/2 years, consists of a number of people who got into office by > concealing their affiliation with the radical right. It will teach us, I > hope, to be more vigilant in whom we elect to office! > > << > The board of education in Kansas is accused of taking the > state back 100 years as it votes to drop Darwin's theory of > evolution from the curriculum. > > I suppose that next they will state that the Earth and NOT the Sun is > the center of ours system... :-) > > Cheers , > -- > +----| Joao Paulo de Carvalho |------ + > | [log in to unmask] | > +--------| Salvador-Bahia-Brazil |------+ >> -- ****************************************************************************************** Charles T. Meyer, M.D. Middleton (Madison), Wisconsin [log in to unmask] ******************************************************************************************