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hi all i offer this revised version of my message to all and especially to michel with my apologies for any upset or hurt caused i had intended 'vigorous' debate on the subject i had not intended any personal hurt or harm to anyone janet ----------------------------------------------------------------- At 00:01 1999/08/28 -0400, michel wrote, in part: >The Sparkle extension of this program aims for the same goal: to >allow free expression for our community. This charge was assumed >by three volunteers who believed that the main list was getting >too crowded with extraneous non PD material... 'free expression' for our community has been 'allowed' all along i thought i don't believe that this list can be 'too crowded' some perceived the list as 'too crowded' at the 500 mark i have never perceived the list as such i have no pre-conceived notions of how the list 'should' be i don't believe that 'non-pd' material is 'extraneous' some perceive humour as extraneous some perceive hobbies as extraneous some perceive china patterns as extraneous i have never perceived anything written in to this list by a genuine listmember as extraneous i have no pre-conceived notions of what the subject matter 'should' be >I agree that 'pigs' were overtaking the main purpose of the list.. i don't agree that pigs were 'overtaking' the main purpose of the list i believe that the subject pigs was considered foolish by some members i believe that those members are entitled to their opinion i do not believe that those members' opinions entitle them to censor the list contents >because our people, i.e. PWP and CG, needed to express their joy >as well as their troubles... my point exactly my hope may be your fear my joy may be your red flag does that entitle me to censor your opinion? does that entitle you to censor mine? <But the worse part of that, is that it repelled many newcomers >who wanted to discuss strictly PD matters, and some old timers >who could not cope with the inordinate size or number of the E-mail, >and felt forced to abandon us... in the past 22 days there have been 73 list leavers and there have been 73 list joiners i suggest that there have been 73 different reasons for leaving and 73 different reasons for joining we are individual humans, not lemmings we are individuals with complex characters i cannot separate hilary's passion and fight from her humour and her silliness i cannot separate ken's goofiness from his sensitivity and compassion i cannot separate john's 'fantastic' talent from his warmth and his insight i wouldn't want to if i could i have been learning that i can control nothing outside of myself hard lines, that but a core truth which needs to be acknowledged and accepted before any genuine growth can take place i can control nothing outside of myself i can control only me i am responsible for nothing outside of myself i am responsible only for me janet janet paterson 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset po box 171, almonte, ontario, canada, K0A 1A0 a new voice: <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> janet paterson 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset po box 171, almonte, ontario, canada, K0A 1A0 a new voice: <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>