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I do not wish the debate to end, for what is evolving is a sense of strong individual values, all of which were repressed with the rise of Fascism and other forms of Dictatorship. That happened because folks stopped or were stopped from individual expression and question. Silence is a form of condoning. I agree with Charlie's expression that he is respectful of others ideas and would request that be shown to those who of us who agree with him or not agree. I would like to suggest to those who believe that Moral laws are absolute to read Karen Armstrong's Book on the History of God. Professor Armstrong points out that all religious beliefs and accompany value sets are an emerging and tuning of values in terms of time and place and knowledge. Unfortunately there are those who wish to " kill the heathens" defined as anyone who does not believe as one feel they should. There are a few religious groups that restrict their activities and behavior for themselves, they do not demand that others do the same. There are those that do not wish to avail themselves of medical knowledge and are protected by law to do that, and there are those who wish to benefit from medical knowledge and the law protects that right of choice. It is clear that most of us do not want to have others define what is right for all the rest of us. To those who do not wish to take the fruit of knowledge that is their individual "moral" choice, but it is not moral for you to decide for me. For that is my choice and my responsibility. Descartes said, reactively recently, " I think therefore I am" in response to the question, "How does one know they exist ?"