hi all At 22:58 1999/09/18 -0400, judith wrote: >Everyone, >I am responsible for this long debated topic because I posted the >article about the embryo donation policy. I expected some discussion >but I did not anticipate that it would go on for so long and at times >cause harsh words to be exchanged. I believe this is a personal decision >and it will not be resolved by further debate. At this point I'm sorry >I posted the article. PLEASE everyone, let's drop this subject and move >on.... it's hard not to look at repercussions from our actions as being 'caused' by our actions if those repercussions were ripples on a pond's surface, well, yes, it would be correct to say that i caused the effect the pond has no free will in the matter but to feel that i 'cause' someone else to do something, anything, is, in my humble opinion, a distortion in my thinking no-one else can 'cause' me to do anything just as i can 'cause' no-one else to do anything we are all humans blessed [or cursed] with our own brains and wills [or won'ts] i look on the discussion ensuing after your posting as interesting, enlightening, and productive as well as sometimes emotionally charged but so be it - our emotions are us we all need to be able to express ourselves for one thing i believe that violent behaviour is directly connected to an inability to verbalize emotions we, each one of us, have something unique and valuable to contribute which no one else can not now, not ever being afraid to express ourselves for fear of anything is a form of censorship which i abhor for the simple reason that it is a denial of "our life force" realizing rose lane's profound words is a work in progress for me i keep uncovering more layers to it: as novices we think we're entirely responsible for the way people treat us i have long since learned that we are responsible only for the way we treat people rose lane >Last night Art Hirsch pointed out that a new member had written to >the list and within a short time there were several replies from >members whose names had not appeared here before. As he said, >"Something wonderful just happened." It was wonderful and that's >what this list is all about.... i agree whole heartedly opening up to each other is the "key" feeling afraid to open up to each other is the "lock" learning to open up all emotions, positive and negative, is the "magic word" open sesame! but no one said it was going to be easy i think it's the hardest thing i have ever worked at learning >It's good to hear from you again, Marjorie.... i second that emotion! janet janet paterson 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset 613 256 8340 po box 171 almonte ontario canada K0A 1A0 a new voice: <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> <[log in to unmask]>