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In a message dated 9/17/99 11:31:23 AM Central Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << each dismisses the others primary position (the humanity or otherwise of an embryo) as being ridiculous and then, claiming the moral high ground, proceeds to conduct the argument relevant to their own position. With one side debating genocide and the other tissue transplants it's no wonder the debate is making no progress. >> I believe you are correct in this assessment. The real question is: Does fetal tissue (stem cells or other) drive abortion? If the answer to that question is or can be made to be no, I believe nobody will argue that flushing or incinerating the tissue rather than using it in transplants is the superior moral position. WHH 56/38/37