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Sorry, here is one more on the embryo debate -- In response to the statement below, I believe that "history" is simply "His-story" and God has already told us that He is the "same yesterday, today, and forever." He set certain laws into our very existence -- such as the law of gravity -- and no matter what I might believe about my ability to fly, if I jump out a 10 story building, I'm going to die! There are absolute truths not only in the physical realm, but also in the moral realm. But it is also true, that each person chooses to heed them or reject them. God has given us free will. We are suffering the consequences in our culture of that free will having been taken to the extreme, however. We live in a culture where freedom to choose our own path has taken the "moral high ground." I brought up Columbine in my last post, because I see such hideous acts as the logical conclusion of such a mindset. We have lost our plumb line and pretty much "anything goes." Each of us is left to determine our own set of values, our own morality. There are those who say, "Do it as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else," but who determines what "hurt" is? If I kill an animal who is suffering, is that wrong? What about if I kill a baby born with a defect, is that wrong? What about if I kill you, because you have PD and you are suffering, is that wrong? We are on a slippery slope, and there may be no climbing back up where it is safe and secure for all of us. Bev, c/t On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:32:52 -0700 "Bernard Barber,Ph.D." <[log in to unmask]> writes: > I would like to suggest to those who believe that Moral laws are > absolute > to read Karen Armstrong's Book on the History of God. Professor > Armstrong > points out that all religious beliefs and accompany value sets are > an > emerging and tuning of values in terms of time and place and > knowledge. > Unfortunately there are those who wish to " kill the heathens" > defined as > anyone who does not believe as one feel they should. There are a few > religious groups that restrict their activities and behavior for > themselves, they do not demand that others do the same. There are > those > that do not wish to avail themselves of medical knowledge and are > protected > by law to do that, and there are those who wish to benefit from > medical > knowledge and the law protects that right of choice. It is clear > that most > of us do not want to have others > define what is right for all the rest of us. To those who do not > wish to > take the fruit of knowledge that is their individual "moral" choice, > but it > is not moral for you to decide for me. > For that is my choice and my responsibility. > > Descartes said, reactively recently, " I think therefore I am" in > response > to the question, "How does one know they exist ?"