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Actually, Murph didn't write the comments below -- I did -- his wife, Bev. Just wanted to clairify. On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:49:06 -0400 joan carol urquhart <[log in to unmask]> writes: > ON Sept 17 Murph adamantly wrote: > > > >I am very sad, however, that so many on this list seem to believe > that > >morality is relative and that, as Joan Carol Urquhart states: > "Anyone > >with a heart would agree that to alleviate human suffering, at any > moral > >sacrifice, is good and right." Joan, you have just justified > Columbine > >-- after all, those young men were suffering and they chose the > killing > >of their classmates and themselves to alleviate their suffering. > > > How could any single human being justify murder?...If you re-read > my words, > you will note that I say that "to alleviate human suffering at any > MORAL > sacrifice is good and right." When I say a 'moral sacrifice'... I > do not > mean to suggest that one should sacrifice one's morals. Instead I > mean that > if we can help someone through moral means or if, through moral > means, > we can help to alleviate another's suffering, lets not waste time, > lets do > it. If medical science can craft a cure for Parkinson's Disease > without > harming anyone in the process, do it. I am not advocating that we > hurt or > kill or work without morality to do so... How have I justified > Columbine? > The only people who try to justify violence are the people who > commit > violence or profit from it. The boys who did the Columbine killings > may > have, as you say, "suffered", but their suffering is diminshed by > the > violence they perpetrated on others. We all have a right to our > feelings. > But none of us has a right to harm another person. > > What happened in WWW11 Germany under Hitler's regime, including the > medical > experiments was autrocious. Unfathomable. > We are in agreement. But once again, words get in the way of our > understanding each other. They tie us up in Knots of > misunderstanding. > > > > "All in all > Each man in all men > all men in each man > > All being in each being > Each being in all being > > All in each > Each in all > > All distinctions are mind, by mind, in mind, of mind > No distinctions no mind to distinguish" > > R. D. Laing > > > > > Be at peace > Joan U.