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Kathrynne and Janet, If I may jump in again in Kathrynne's behalf in spite of the fact the last time I looked was a male. Without a doubt as I see see the statement as potentially polarizing us along sex lines. Janet I think that your problem in seeing it is that you jump from the role as participant to protector of the list- list mother- list goddess or whatever. In the argument of whether the statement created a polarization is self evident IMHO by the response. But the question of whether it is a proper subject for discussion in this group is another matter. I think if people feel it then say it- and get whatever responses that they get. It is grist for the mill and part of a free debate. But you can't fight the issue of Kathrynne's opinion which is a statement of fact (or not) with a freedom of speech defense and be debating the issue logically The question (statement) she poses is " that this polarization does nothing positive for men, women, or children" which has nothing to do with whether it a proper subject for discussion, or its validity. It just is a statement of opinion- which is what you say you want unfettered. Sorry to be a pest but the illogic of Janet's argument was too much to take. Charlie janet Peterson wrote: > At 09:58 1999/09/20 -0600, you wrote: > >> > when each man can say with no doubt whatsoever > >> > that he has taken full responsibility for every conception > >> > that he has contributed to > >> > i would be thrilled to > >> > change my viewpoint > > > >and when each woman can say with no doubt whatsoever > >that she has taken full responsibility for every conception > >that she has contributed to > >I will be thrilled to > >change my viewpoint > > > >which is, that this polarization does nothing positive for men, women, > >or children > > > > sorry kathrynne > > i don't understand your point > > do you think that expressing opinions > which differ with others is polarization? > > i don't see it that way > my goodness, if we all had the same opinions, we'd be clones! > > i'm quite impressed with the conversation so far! > > this message thread > has wandered from research and embryo tissue > to religious beliefs to censorship to abortions > to reincarnation to to women in the armed forces > to parental responsibility to ... > > expressing thoughts ideas and opinions is a sign of our freedom here > isn't it? > > janet > > janet paterson > 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset > 613 256 8340 po box 171 almonte ontario canada K0A 1A0 > a new voice: <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> > <[log in to unmask]> -- ****************************************************************************************** Charles T. Meyer, M.D. Middleton (Madison), Wisconsin [log in to unmask] ******************************************************************************************