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hi all ivan, you should feel 'used' and so should joan and jim and mjf you all gave and gave and gave willingly and eagerly being used is not necessarily a bad thing it might be what we're here for we think we need pats on the back from external sources but we don't if i feel compelled to do something i will do it irregardless heedless of criticism if i don't allow the nay-sayers to change my course why should i feel any need for the yay-sayers to applaud my finish? you have been true to yourself that's the only opinion that counts with love janet janet paterson 52 now / 41 dx / 37 onset 613 256 8340 po box 171 almonte ontario canada K0A 1A0 a new voice: <http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/6263/> <[log in to unmask]>