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Personally, I'd say Bob significantly misread Michael's position and
was rather rude for no good reason. I think a more careful reading
might lead one to conclude:
- PAN leadership thinks the best way to serve our community is
to get the funding required to fund research.
- While PAN leadership would like the various parkinsons groups
to work more closely together the priority for PAN is to get
the funding, and pressuring the various organizations to merge/
align their positions, etc. will just result in more infighting.
- While there are still differences, things are moving in the right
direction.
Seems to me PAN's got the right idea- get the funding, then straighten out the
support groups.
>Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:11:22 -0400
>From: Bob Chapman <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: PD Unity answer
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>Mr.Claeys I would like to respond to how your letter (attached) >comes
>across to me.
>[log in to unmask] wrote:
>> From Michael Claeys-PAN
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> Mrs. Flinterman,
>>
>> We received a copy of your email from Barbara Schirloff. I don't
>> want
>> to spend too much time on this because (1) there is too much
>> important
>> work to do in support of the Udall bill,
>Why, then have you waste all of this band width defending your ego?
>Shouldn't this posting be directed to the individual (Camilla
>Flinterman) rather than to the entire list?
He's not defending his ego, he's defending his goals and methods.
I think this is appropriate to the list. Clearly some list members
(such as yourself) don't understand PAN very well.
>> and (2) continued focus on these issues tends to make the >situation
>> worse rather than better. But
>> you specifically asked is this was something PAN was working on, so
>> I wanted to respond.
>>
>> First of all, I strongly argue that disagreements between the
>> organizations are much more the result of differences of opinion and
>>
>> differing priorities than "ego problems." It is important to get
>> the
>> facts on these disagreements and to know where each party stands and
>>
>> why, and evaluate to logic and reasonableness of each position,
>> rather
>> than just paint all the parties as equally at fault just for failing
>> to
>> agree.
>What are the facts, as you see them and where do you stand and why? with
>all of the rhetoric you have espoused and I fail to see where you answer
these questions.
True enough, I'm guessing PAN doesn't want to stir up too much
s*** right now by pointing the finger at particular leaders
of the other organizations. PAN is not focused on fixing the
support organizations right now. I bet if you had approached
Michael reasonably he might have shared some insights as to where
the ego problems lay.
>> All this does is punish people for trying to do things the best
>> way, and encourages agreeing just for the sake of agreeing to things
>>
>> that don't make the most sense.
>sounds like a touch of paranoia to me.
I see nothing paranoid about this position. He seems to be saying
PAN will work with the various groups even if they don't really
want to work together.
>>
>> I also would argue that currently the cooperation among the national
>>
>> organizations is a good if not better than it's ever been. I agree
>> it's
>> not perfect, but things are definitely improving, and the Udall bill
>> is
>> one important reason. Further, while greater cooperation among the
>> groups and greater commitment of resources by the APDA and NPF would
>> certainly improve the chances of passing the Udall bill, I do not
>> think
>> it is accurate to say that the lack of cooperation has been a big
>> obstacle to passage.
>Hmnnn! I thought you were trying to say that there was no lack of
>cooperation between the organizations???
No he said cooperation is better than in the past, but not yet perfect.
>What was the obstacle, do you know? Could it be that we didn't have
>people who were committed to our cause enough to find a way around the
>Politics, which will always be there?
The primary obstacle was Newt & company.
>> We came very, very close last year, and I think
>> impartial evaluation of the events of last year would show the lack
> >of
>> action on the Udall bill in the House had more to do with election
>> year
>> politics and other political issues beyond the control of the
>> Parkinson's community rather than whatever internal problems we may
>> have
>> been experiencing.
>>
>> I want to take especially strong exception to the remark that "even
>> when
>> (the Udall bill) passes there will be struggles over who gets what
>> money." THAT IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE! The Udall bill authorizes
>> additional money be made available to scientists and Parkinson's
>> researchers. All the grant requests will go through NIH's rigorous
>> peer-review process and will be out of the control, or even
>> influence,
>> of any of the Parkinson's organizations. Will some of the money go
>> to
>> researchers aligned with one national group or another? Of course,
>> but
>> only after going through the proper NIH grant submission and review
>> process. This is just the type of misinformation that exasperates
>> problems rather than helping solve them.
>More bureaucratic bull!
I think Michael is saying once the money is allocated the scientists
at the NHI will make sure the best scientists in the field will get
the funds. No bull there.
>
>
>> Please be assured that we too are frustrated by the lack of
>> cooperation,
>> communication and commitment to the Udall bill effort demonstrated
>> within our community.
>And well you should be frustrated, you are probably part of the >cause.
OK Bob, so what have you done to get the Bill passed? And how does
that stack up against PAN'S efforts?
>> At the same time, we are committed to not let
>> this matters distract of dissuade us from doing everything we can to
>>
>> achieve the goals of Udall bill passage and greatly increased
>> research
>> funding for Parkinson's disease -- this year! We greatly appreciate
>> all
>> the hard work by advocates, and will continue to inform, coordinate
>> and
>> support your efforts.
>
>> Remember, Network President Joan Samuelson and other members of the
>> PAN
>> Board of Directors have Parkinson's; they are highly motivated, very
>>
>> skilled and extremely hard working, and have little patience for
>> anything that does not further the cause of finding the most
>> immediate
>> cure for this disease.
>
>> Thank you again for your input and for your desire to achieve our
>> common
>> goal. Please don't ever hesitate to contact us with any questions,
>> comments or requests you may have.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>
>> Michael Claeys
>> Parkinson Action Network
>> Community Outreach Coordinator
>> 800-850-4726
>> 707-544-2363 Fax
>> [log in to unmask]
> If you choose to respond to my evaluation of your Bureaucratic Crap
>please do so privately, the only reason I have responded through the
>list is to encourage others to state their opinions. Frankly with people
>who have your apparent attitude promoting our cause it not hard to
>understand why we have been " put on the back burner"
And with people like you tearing down our cause I'm suprised we
aren't dragged into a back alley.
Let's all hope PAN keeps up the good work and that together
we get this bill passed. Bob - I hope you can channel your
anger into fighting our common enemy.
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1998, Week 4 August 1998, Week 3 August 1998, Week 2 August 1998, Week 1 July 1998, Week 5 July 1998, Week 4 July 1998, Week 3 July 1998, Week 2 July 1998, Week 1 June 1998, Week 5 June 1998, Week 4 June 1998, Week 3 June 1998, Week 2 June 1998, Week 1 May 1998, Week 5 May 1998, Week 4 May 1998, Week 3 May 1998, Week 2 May 1998, Week 1 April 1998, Week 5 April 1998, Week 4 April 1998, Week 3 April 1998, Week 2 April 1998, Week 1 March 1998, Week 5 March 1998, Week 4 March 1998, Week 3 March 1998, Week 2 March 1998, Week 1 February 1998, Week 5 February 1998, Week 4 February 1998, Week 3 February 1998, Week 2 February 1998, Week 1 January 1998, Week 5 January 1998, Week 4 January 1998, Week 3 January 1998, Week 2 January 1998, Week 1 December 1997, Week 5 December 1997, Week 4 December 1997, Week 3 December 1997, Week 2 December 1997, Week 1 November 1997, Week 5 November 1997, Week 4 November 1997, Week 3 November 1997, Week 2 November 1997, Week 1 October 1997, Week 5 October 1997, Week 4 October 1997, Week 3 October 1997, Week 2 October 1997, Week 1 September 1997, Week 5 September 1997, Week 4 September 1997, Week 3 September 1997, Week 2 September 1997, Week 1 August 1997, Week 5 August 1997, Week 4 August 1997, Week 3 August 1997, Week 2 August 1997, Week 1 July 1997, Week 5 July 1997, Week 4 July 1997, Week 3 July 1997, Week 2 July 1997, Week 1 June 1997, Week 5 June 1997, Week 4 June 1997, Week 3 June 1997, Week 2 June 1997, Week 1 May 1997, Week 5 May 1997, Week 4 May 1997, Week 3 May 1997, Week 2 May 1997, Week 1 April 1997, Week 5 April 1997, Week 4 April 1997, Week 3 April 1997, Week 2 April 1997, Week 1 March 1997, Week 5 March 1997, Week 4 March 1997, Week 3 March 1997, Week 2 March 1997, Week 1 February 1997, Week 5 February 1997, Week 4 February 1997, Week 3 February 1997, Week 2 February 1997, Week 1 January 1997, Week 5 January 1997, Week 4 January 1997, Week 3 January 1997, Week 2 January 1997, Week 1 December 1996, Week 5 December 1996, Week 4 December 1996, Week 3 December 1996, Week 2 December 1996, Week 1 November 1996, Week 5 November 1996, Week 4 November 1996, Week 3 November 1996, Week 2 November 1996, Week 1 October 1996, Week 5 October 1996, Week 4 October 1996, Week 3 October 1996, Week 2 October 1996, Week 1 September 1996, Week 5 September 1996, Week 4 September 1996, Week 3 September 1996, Week 2 September 1996, Week 1 August 1996, Week 5 August 1996, Week 4 August 1996, Week 3 August 1996, Week 2 August 1996, Week 1 July 1996, Week 5 July 1996, Week 4 July 1996, Week 3 July 1996, Week 2 July 1996, Week 1 June 1996, Week 5 June 1996, Week 4 June 1996, Week 3 June 1996, Week 2 June 1996, Week 1 May 1996, Week 5 May 1996, Week 4 May 1996, Week 3 May 1996, Week 2 May 1996, Week 1 April 1996, Week 5 April 1996, Week 4 April 1996, Week 3 April 1996, Week 2 April 1996, Week 1 March 1996, Week 5 March 1996, Week 4 March 1996, Week 3 March 1996, Week 2 March 1996, Week 1 February 1996, Week 5 February 1996, Week 4 February 1996, Week 3 February 1996, Week 2 February 1996, Week 1 January 1996, Week 5 January 1996, Week 4 January 1996, Week 3 January 1996, Week 2 January 1996, Week 1 December 1995, Week 5 December 1995, Week 4 December 1995, Week 3 December 1995, Week 2 December 1995, Week 1 November 1995, Week 5 November 1995, Week 4 November 1995, Week 3 November 1995, Week 2 November 1995, Week 1 October 1995, Week 5 October 1995, Week 4 October 1995, Week 3 October 1995, Week 2 October 1995, Week 1 September 1995, Week 5 September 1995, Week 4 September 1995, Week 3 September 1995, Week 2 September 1995, Week 1 August 1995, Week 5 August 1995, Week 4 August 1995, Week 3 August 1995, Week 2 August 1995, Week 1 July 1995, Week 5 July 1995, Week 4 July 1995, Week 3 July 1995, Week 2 July 1995, Week 1 June 1995, Week 5 June 1995, Week 4 June 1995, Week 3 June 1995, Week 2 June 1995, Week 1 May 1995, Week 5 May 1995, Week 4 May 1995, Week 3 May 1995, Week 2 May 1995, Week 1 April 1995, Week 5 April 1995, Week 4 April 1995, Week 3 April 1995, Week 2 April 1995, Week 1 March 1995, Week 5 March 1995, Week 4 March 1995, Week 3 March 1995, Week 2 March 1995, Week 1 February 1995, Week 4 February 1995, Week 3 February 1995, Week 2 February 1995, Week 1 January 1995, Week 5 January 1995, Week 4 January 1995, Week 3 January 1995, Week 2 January 1995, Week 1 December 1994, Week 5 December 1994, Week 4 December 1994, Week 3 December 1994, Week 2 December 1994, Week 1 November 1994, Week 5 November 1994, Week 4 November 1994, Week 3 November 1994, Week 2 November 1994, Week 1 October 1994, Week 5 October 1994, Week 4 October 1994, Week 3 October 1994, Week 2 October 1994, Week 1 September 1994, Week 5 September 1994, Week 4 September 1994, Week 3 September 1994, Week 2 September 1994, Week 1 August 1994, Week 5 August 1994, Week 4 August 1994, Week 3 August 1994, Week 2 August 1994, Week 1 July 1994, Week 5 July 1994, Week 4 July 1994, Week 3 July 1994, Week 2 July 1994, Week 1 June 1994, Week 5 June 1994, Week 4 June 1994, Week 3 June 1994, Week 2 June 1994, Week 1 May 1994, Week 5 May 1994, Week 4 May 1994, Week 3 May 1994, Week 2 May 1994, Week 1 April 1994, Week 5 April 1994, Week 4 April 1994, Week 3 April 1994, Week 2 April 1994, Week 1 March 1994, Week 5 March 1994, Week 4 March 1994, Week 3 March 1994, Week 2 March 1994, Week 1 February 1994, Week 4 February 1994, Week 3 February 1994, Week 2 February 1994, Week 1 February 1994 January 1994 December 1993 November 1993
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