Say Ray and Charlotte ,

How much nicer would be humanity if the majority of the people would share the
same perspective of life both of you put forward and a minority defend it in our
so wee  planet that travels with no destiny in this infinite space of the cosmos
.....


Ray Strand wrote:

> politics and religion are usually controversial.
> just avoiding them will not make them go away.
>
> well--we got rid of humor
> and we got rid of too much talk of clinical depression
> and now we can get rid of politics
> and we  can get rid of religion
> or we got rid of talk of stem cells
> and maybe we can get rid of talk of hope
> because that seems to come up a lot
> or our medications
> because that seems to come up a lot
> too controvercial
> and we're tired of deleting
>
> but, who is "we"?
>
> my opinion is--let it all be
> embrace diversity and learn from one and another,
> appreciate the checks and balances differing views represent.
> with 1800 of us looking on...
> there will certainly be differing opinions expressed.
> most of us aren't even in the same country
> but, we're all connected,
> not just electronically.
>
> if an emotional response is elicited by a list message--
> reflect on what chord it struck inside yourself.
> if a message does nothing--what use is that?
> not interesting?
> not informative?
> not worth filing into the private archive?
>
> Charlotte Mancuso wrote:
>
> > Greg and others,
> >
> > I feel that it is entirely appropriate to discuss politics and policies that
>
> yes, if we can't talk about it  here...then where?
>
> everything is politics
> our existence is inseperable from society
> it will have an impact on our parky lives
> good or bad
> not much miiddle ground here
>
> also, i think that it as important "how" we discuss an issue
>
> debate is good for representing various sides of an issue
>            flaming, name calling, is not really debate
> present factual info, or experience, or quote authorities--
> pro and con
> ...then let the bystanders make up their own minds.
>
> you may not have changed the mind of the person you debate...but,
> it can influence so many that you may never hear from.
>
> > affect our lives, our family's lives, and the very welfare of our country.
> > I don't want to be a burden on my family and society.  I want to live my
> > life as a productive person, for everyone's sake, including society's.
>
> i feel the same way...as bit by bit
> my dreams are taken from me or my family
> and replaced by inevitable nightmares of unecessary suffering
>
> i should have another 20 years until retirement
> but, instead i'm struggling to stay on top of what little i do now.
> and i've cut back over the past few years even before diagnosis
> not knowing what was going on
> just knowing things weren't getting done,
> that were easy before.
>
> > We, as a species, have nothing to lose and everything to gain by advancing
> > this vital, life giving research.  The remaining embryos were created to
> > bring a new life into the loving arms of a childless couple.  The method for
> > this happy, fruitful event, results in a number of remaining fertilized eggs
> > that are unsuitable for bringing about another child, but eminently suitable
> > for saving and mending lives.  It is clearly a win-win situation--life from
> > life.  I cannot imagine anything more pro-life than this.
>
> this is so well put,
> i'm sharing it with some people i know
> that aren't on the list
> i hope you don't mind
>
> > Charlotte Mancuso
> >
> > Jo Ann Coen wrote:
> >
> > > Greg - it's obvious you are a democrat.  But I think we should keep
> > > politics and religion off  the list.  It will surely start another
> > > controversy, and things have gone very smoothly the last few weeks..  Jo
> > > Ann from Houston
>
> tranquility is like balance
> not necessarily stable
> or interesting
> or like
> neutral gear
> not going anywhere
>
> just because things are calm and smooth
> doesn't mean progress
> unless that is the goal
>
> i'd rather have a cure
> and overcome whatever obstacles get in the way

Cheers,
Joao Paulo - Salvador,BA,Brazil
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