part two of two:


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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:42:19 -0400
Subj: Re: New Member and a Nightmare
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At 18:38 2001/09/16 EDT, Sharon Headley wrote:
>I am a new subscriber the this network. I would like
to briefly share my
>story-----
>My dear sister was diagnosed with young onset
Parkinson's about 12 years ago.
>She has had excellent care-including a pallidotomy
AND Deep Brain Stimulation
>over the years- but each operation was minimally
successful, at best. She
>currently receives Botox injections for severe
dystonia about once evry 3
>months.
>While degenerative, things appeared "handlable" till
about 3 years ago--at
>this time my sister began experinecing classic
symptoms of
>psychoses-including paranoid delusions.  ...

there is a lot of info in the list archives about drug
induced psychosis

since we are mostly people with pd ourselves,
perhaps you'd be more comfortable discussing your
problem with your sister
on the caregiver's list?

janet


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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:42:21 -0400
Subj: Re: perceptions of confrontations: re-re-post
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hi all

i wanted to share this response with everyone:

>... I am reminded of an old Jesuit friend of
>mine who used to say, "God answers every prayer.
>If God says no, it's because he's got something
>better in mind." Whenever the talk turned to
>gloomy topics and the struggle between good and
>evil, my friend would slap his knee and cackle
>(he was in his 80s at the time), "Ha! ha! ha!
>I know who wins!" ...

janet
co-knee-slapper


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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:03:25 -0400
Subj: ambushed?
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are terrorist attacks
not similar to sudden sneak ambushes?

are urgent violent efforts to 'take out the ambushers'

not similar to rallying a lynch mob?

does the modern 'civilized' world not espouse
principles of the rule of law?

does a lynch mob led by the victimized party follow
those principles?

are we after justice or revenge?

they are not the same thing


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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:36:07 -0400
Subj: Re: Getting Parkinsn Back on Topic
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hi john

your statements below don't seem to reconcile with the

'welcome to new members' message as written by barb
patterson
(as pasted further below)

could we please have some input from her?

thank you

janet

ps
which e-mail address is the correct one for barb
patterson?

At 11:19 2001/09/19 -0500, John Cottingham wrote:
>During the past week we have regressed and forgotten
what the Parkinsn list
>is all about. The quality and quantity of mail has
been about many things
>not related to having or curing Parkinson's disease
or the discussion of
>ideas on treatment or caring for others.
>
>Parkinsn is not American, Canadian, or European but
international. Parkinsn
>is not Christian, Jewish or Muslim. Prayer is a
personal expression of a
>belief  in a god or God or nothing at all. Our
subscribers come in all
>colors, beliefs, and 40 countries of the world.
Opinions on anything else
>except the fight against Parkinson's have no place
here. Caring for one
>another requires nothing but love.
>
>Once again, we have seen the resurgence of "Funnies".
Parkinsn is not the
>place for those.
>
>Posting of articles not germane to Parkinsn should
also be refrained. When
>in doubt consult the Parkinsn Charter/Guidelines at:
>
>http://parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkinsn.html
>
>Complaints or disputes may be resolved when addressed
to the list owners at:
>
>mailto:Barbara Patterson
<[log in to unmask]>
>
>OR
>
>mailto:John Cottingham
><[log in to unmask]>
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At 07:22 2001/09/10 -0400, janet paterson wrote:
>hi all
>
>there were some questions as to why i posted the
following message
>on the 4th of september
>
>i re-subscribed to parkinsn after a one month
sabbatical
>and received this confirmation message as the only
info for a new subscriber
>from barb patterson the list-owner
>
>i assume therefore that the direction of the list
>has resumed its normal sane and accepting self and
>congratulate barb on her sensitive choice of words
>
>here's to tolerance and sharing!
>and
>here's to support and awareness for PD and PARKIES
everywhere!
>
>please note that my website (url in my signature
below)
>was dedicated to barb patterson and this listserv in
may 1999
>and will remain so
>
>
>janet
>
>
>>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:27:02 -0400
>>From: [log in to unmask]
>>Subj: You are now subscribed to the PARKINSN list
>>To:   Janet Paterson <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>Your subscription to the  PARKINSN list (Parkinson's
Information Exchange
>>Network) has been accepted.
>>
>>Welcome! You  have joined the  PARKINSN mailing
list, also known  as the
>>Parkinson's Information Exchange Network (PIEnet).
>>
>>Please send  a message to the  list members (if you
want to) introducing
>>yourself,   perhaps   telling   us   how    you
found   us,   and   any
>>Parkinson's-related topics you would like.
>>
>>The     address    for     posting    messages
to    Parkinsn     is:
>>[log in to unmask]
>>
>>Let me introduce myself. I am a secretary for four
faculty members in the
>>School  of  Nursing,  McMaster  University. In
September,  1992,  I  was
>>diagnosed as having Parkinson's ... hence my
interest in this list.
>>
>>My purpose  in starting the  list was  the exchange
of  information about
>>Parkinson's. The  list rapidly changed  into the
largest support  group I
>>know.  Besides its  original purpose,  the list  has
become  'a means  of
>>feeling connected'  to others... a way  of feeling
we're not  alone... of
>>making the road of living with pd easier to bear.
>>
>>I have always felt that we hear  each other better
on the list because we
>>can't see each  other. Symptoms, age, colour, race,
don't interfere. The
>>list  knows no  countries, has  nothing to  do with
money... there's  no
>>"what's in it for me?"
>>
>>But these  same qualities mean  our words are open
to misinterpretation.
>>Since others can't see our wry smile or wink or hear
our tone of voice, a
>>goal of keeping it "short & sweet" can result in
appearing abrupt.
>>
>>Also, the same  word can have different meanings and
 different shades of
>>meaning to different people in different  areas of
the world so care must
>>be taken in both your writing and your reading of
the messages.
>>
>>Flaming and selling  are not allowed. Please send
messages  in plain text
>>only. Do  not make any  changes in  medication or
any  treatments without
>>consulting your physician. Be kind.  Be honest.
Share the time fairly....
>>if you think you  have taken more than your share
of the list resources,
>>you just might have.
>>
>>Keep it generally  related to Parkinson's. Don't
abuse  the generosity of
>>the University of  Toronto's free gift of the list.
Don't include all of
>>the  message  to  which  you  are   replying.  Use
plain  text  with  no
>>attachments. Wash your hands with soap before you
eat. :) In other words,
>>use the same common courtesy that you would
elsewhere.
>>
>>We need  everyone's voices if  we are going to  make
a difference  in the
>>care and  treatment of  pd and  the motivation  and
funding  of research.
>>Speak  up.  Tell  your  story.  Ask  your
questions.  Answer  questions.
>>Debate/argue   about  the   answers.   Debate/argue
 about  the   goals,
>>administration, day-to-day  functioning of the
list. Tell a  joke... but
>>please don't attempt to silence anyone else's voice.
>>
>>The  messages on  the Parkinsn  list  may be
personal but  they are  NOT
>>private... never have been. The illusion  of privacy
when using e-mail is
>>just that: an illusion.
>>
>>Never,  in the  history of  this planet,  has this
kind of  relationship
>>existed. We  meet in a place  that has no  walls. We
talk to  our friends
>>whom we have  never seen. We care  deeply for other
members  whom we will
>>never physically hug.  Folks, we're making it  up as
we go  along, so any
>>rules have  to be  flexible. Our  Parkinsn
Guidelines  can be  viewed at:
>>http://parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkinsn.html
>>
>>If  you  wish  to  view  Parkinsn  messages online
you  may  do  so  at:
>>http://parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/maillist.html
>>
>>I hope you enjoy your  involvement with the Parkinsn
Information Exchange
>>Network.
>>
>>Barbara Patterson Owner Parkinsn John Cottingham
co-owner Parkinsn
>>
>>Please save this message for future  reference,
especially if this is the
>>first time you are subscribing to an electronic
mailing list. ...


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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:33:50 -0400
Subj: NEWS: Man 'unaware' of criminal harassment
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hi all

our incredible brains
and their incredibly sensitive chemical balance!

schizophrenia is said to be due to an overabundance of
dopamine

janet

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Man 'unaware' of criminal harassment

Delusions involved actor and NBC news

Wenesday September 19, 2001 - An Ottawa man who
believes he is engaged to
'Dawson Creek's Katie Holmes and says NBC owes him
millions of dollars for
news story ideas has been committed to a mental
hospital indefinitely.

The order was made by Justice David Dempsey yesterday,
after Michael
Willis, 36, was found to suffer from mental illness so
acutely that he
couldn't be aware he was criminally harassing Ben
Heineman, general council
for GE, which owns NBC, and Martin Holmes, the
22-year-old actor's father,
with hundreds of phone calls.

Dr. John Bradford, a forensic psychiatrist at the
Royal Otttawa Hospital,
testified Mr. Willis is highly delusional and possibly
schizophrenic.

"There is no cure for either of these conditions", he
said. "This is going
to be a very difficult road. Very recently he has said
it's quite within
his rights to call Mr. Heineman and Mr. Holmes because
GE owes him millions
of dollars, and he is Katie Holmes' fiance."

Dr. Bradford said evidence of Mr. Willis' mental
illness appeeared in late
1996 and early 1997. Its onset represents a tragedy
for the sick man.

Mr. Willis, who grew up in Ottawa, excelled in
academics and sports,
finishing top of his class in high school and
undergraduate university
studies. He was a Rhodes Scholar and top of his
economics class at Oxford
University. He received a PhD from the prestigious
Wharton School of
Business in Pennsylvania and had several articles in
the Economist.

In the phone calls, Mr. Willis demanded money for
story ideas he said Tom
Brokaw was stealing and money for an engagement ring
for Ms. Holmes.

The doctor said that people who obstruct Mr. Willis'
view of things could
be in danger if he is released without treatment.


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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:39:59 -0400
Subj: Re: perceptions of confrontations: re-re-post
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hi all

i wanted to share this with you

wp wrote:

>excellent janet - excellent
>
>i hope you are going to put this in the forum.
>we can't please everyone all of the time......but
>if I screw up, I dont need a public hand slap,
>just gently tell me I screwed up.  I'll try harder
>next time.  Slap my hand and I struggle with exactly
>what u speak of.....confrontation.  what - do people
>think we expose ourselves because we love to be put
>down?  why do I post?  Been asking myself lately if
>its down to simply a bad habit that i can't break.
>
>anyway, keep up the good work janet.

it seems to me that this idea of perceptions
and 'what we see is what we want to see'
is only the tip of the iceberg

herein lies the source of all conflict and
misunderstanding
methinks

i write and post out of a need to learn and to share

others have seen my postings
as a generous gift
as pompous preaching
as bold braggadoccio (sp ?)
as an obsessive compulsive disorder

but i am learning that what others see
has nothing to do with
me
or what i do

it has only to do with
them
and whatever their perceptions are filtered by

not to add to the us/them conflict concept
but
i cannot be guilty of what i do not do
i cannot be guilty of what others want to see

and neither can you

janet


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