i thought barb said that nothing we have done
has caused u of t's decision

janet

At 18:00 2002/03/19 -0800, Carole K. Menser wrote:
>There is a point in Katie's message.  If volume is a problem and slows down
>the host's system, perhaps we should all consider what we send through the
>list and what we send to individuals privately.  At least for the future.
>
>Carole Menser
>PWP Ted (54/46/40)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Janice Morgan <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:20 AM
>Subject: Re: St. Patrick's Day slip
>
>
>>don't you have better thing to do than to tell people where they goofed you
>>sound like a very unhappy person. I guess this should not be on the list
>>also, put a smile on your face and just enjoy the list ok.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:07 PM
>>Subject: St. Patrick's Day slip
>>
>>
>>Edith,
>>
>>       Thank you for your St. Patrick's Day message, and for your
>subsequent
>>posting, sent directly to me, where you have realized, after the fact, that
>>your heartfelt St. Patrick's Day message did violate the list guidelines.
>>It
>>is very easy to break the guidelines because we want personal contact and
>we
>>want to be a family.  Many of us do not even know the quidelines are there,
>>and many of us forget about those stuffy, legalistic guidelines.
>>
>>       Look at all the traffic on this list today,  and the number of
>>postings on the list, not just your posting, which technically or directly
>>violate the
>>guidelines. And this happens every day. A percentage of people on the list
>>has always favored listing everything and using the delete button whereas a
>>percentage, which includes me (a legally trained person) has always favored
>>compliance with the guidelines. I tried to alert people to the problem that
>>if, we were slowing down the UT system, our volume was too big, e.g.
>>non-compliance with the
>>guidelines was a problem. If our postings are monitored by the UT or
>>elsewhere, how can that academic institution justify providing services for
>>personal messages, poetry, humor pieces/jokes, etc?  I assume that Barbara
>P
>>convinced UT to accept UT as an information exchange system and not a chat
>>room. Any new place will check with UT, and even the "slowness" factor,
>>without any indication of concern about list content, will be a problem. I
>>also assume that the UT has had rumblings about withdrawing services for
>>some
>>time, and those rumblings were ignored and/or the options at UT, and
>>possiblity of the options of the list continuing to stay there, have not
>>been
>>fully explored.  I would like to know if the withdrawal of services by the
>>UT
>>is a done deal; even if UT thinks it's a done deal there are things we can
>>do
>>to make it not a done deal.  We should, at a minimum, be able to stay with
>>UT
>>until we find a replacement host.
>>
>>        I was surprised by your posting, but I do think that St. Patrick's
>>Day ought to be celebrated and that the guidelines can be bent, or ignored,
>>at times. However, we are in a real mess, and I think that the list is in
>>real danger. It will take a long time to get something set up at a new
>>place, even if everything goes well, and any experience we have had with UT
>>will impact upon negotiations with any potential host for the list.  I hope
>>list members become very careful about their postings in this interim
>period
>>before we find a new home: this can be helpful in convincing UT to keep us
>>as
>>well as convincing a new university to take us.  What I said about the
>>guidelines before on this list was an interesting, legal-like argument to
>>me,
>>but probably not interesting to anyone else on the list, but now concern
>>with
>>the list guidelines and careful compliance with the guidelines may be the
>>survival of this list and its family.
>>
>>       Edith, your St. Patrick's Day message was an unintentional slip.  I
>>am
>>certain we all loved receiving and reading it.  Happy St. Patrick's Day to
>>you!  Katie
>>
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