Ray,
if I remember well, I wrote you my letter off list... In my interpretetaion
this  means that your answer should have come off-list, too. I'm really very
sorry that you "disobeyed" this silent agreement.
Anyway, I also could write more about socialism - maybe much more than
anyone of you - but my hands and mind are tired.

Olga
PWP 51/47/40 and CG for my own
Hungary
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----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID LEWIN" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: socialism


> Bravo for the clarity of your thought and knowledge.  David
>
>
> >From: Rayilyn Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: socialism
> >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:40:09 EST
> >
> >Olga,
> >Yes. I have been to the USSR 3 times, once in 1977 and I concluded they
> >needed a good revolution , rather than celebrating the one that overthrew
> >the Czar,
> >Poland, Hungary, Yugoslovia, Bulgaria, Romania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,
> >Finland and all of Western Europe.  And to communist countries when they
> >were
> >Communist.
> >
> >We do have a "mixed economy"in the U.S. I am a former teacher of American
> >History and know that to be true.  I think our definitions must be
> >different.  We
> >do not have a completely capitalist system anyway, altho as I noted in my
> >email present day capitalists are getting much more than their fair share
> >of the
> >economic pie.  I have an old Democrat friend who thinks we are going to
> >become
> >a nation of haves and have-nots - the middle class is disappearing.
> >
> >In the early 1900's of the Progressive Era we got many things Socialists
> >wanted, like a progressive income tax with  the 16th Amendment  to the
> >Constitution. President Roosevelt, a Republican,  believed there were
> >certain things the
> >government should do  - like rregulate the railroads (he was known as a
> >trust
> >buster) and the meat we ate and drugs we took with the  Pure Food and
Drug
> >Act.  He also favored protecting the environment with the etablishment of
> >our
> >national parks.
> >
> >He also believed the government was going to be big, just like big
business
> >-
> >the question was what was it's role to be.  President Wilson, a Democrat,
> >who
> >followed him during WW I believed in the "New Freedom"  or going back to
an
> >era of small business.  So  you can see our political parties and their
> >leaders
> >have changed positions on the issues since the founding of the republic.
> >
> >I think it depends on the country and its history, what "socialism" means
> >or
> >is.
> >I could write more, but my hands are tired.
> >
> >Ray
> >
> >
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