At 06:48 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote:
>This is exactly what happens when politics is introduced on the list.
>You have
>pro and con on both sides, and I have seen Bush slammed more times than
>I can count by "editorializing" here on this list.  Now, when folks
>point to Kerry,
>since they are running "against" each other, all hell will break loose,
>both on
>mainstream programming on the news you and I see every day, and on this
>list.


>  I'm Sorry , I dont think "all Hell Broke from my few  Comments
>
>This list will self destruct if political and religious
>arguments/debate/editorialization is allowed. We must get a handle on
>this _*NOW,*_
>since there is 8 months left before the next election.  I joined the
>list because
>of its members, and it was virtually absent of politics and other issues
>that
>divide and cause heated unhealthy arguments.
>
> From the VERY BEGIINNING, on this list, I have been very open on
>saying that this was NOT the place to post political view points.
>
>The only person that has been very good at posting relevant PD articles here
>on this list that points to shortcomings of the current administration
>is Murray.
>Everyone else (including myself, albeit very restrained), has had to put in
>a slam, slant, or self-prescribed editorial.
>
>Murray  posts the article in entirety, WITHOUT editorial comments common to
>other folks that post.  This is very commendable on Murrays part. I
>cannot tell
>you how valuable this type of posting is, and if everyone followed Murray's
>example, we would all be better for it.
>
>We really truly need to use constraint, and keep this list as it once was.
>I sincerely fear that we are going down a bad path here, as you can see
>by the current threads.
>
>If you actually count the negative slams against the current administrations
>and then count the negative ones on the current competitior for the same
>office, you will see that the Bush Slams far out number the Kerry
>Slams.......
>
>I say we DON"T SLAM anyone, but post relevant aritcles so folks can
>write their local represenatives.
>
>My two cents:
>Jeff Bayard.
>
>
>David Moreland wrote:
>
>>Do we have a double standard   or what, its not alright to say any thing
>>that   anyone might  say that would be at all negative  regarding  George
>>W    but we have an open season   on John Kerry . I think that is just as
>>distasteful. Now if John Kerry had  done   or said something relating to
>>stem cell research or other issues of relevance to PWP
>>
>>
>>At 03:59 AM 3/7/2004, you wrote:
>>
>>>Kerry is not gettng my vote, this is just one of the reasons.  Thanks
>>>for speaking up, Tomberline.
>>>I am a vet too, and not many vets like the guy.
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>tomberdine wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sen. Kerry, the "noble statesman" and "highly decorated Vietnam vet" of
>>>>today, is a far cry from Kerry, the radical, hippie-like leader of
>>>>Vietnam
>>>>Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in the early 1970s.
>>>>
>>>>Soon after Kerry, as a Navy Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding a
>>>>Swift
>>>>boat in Vietnam, was awarded the Silver Star, he used an obscure Navy
>>>>regulation to leave Vietnam and his crew before completing his tour
>>>>of duty.
>>>>
>>>>After returning home, he quit the Navy early and changed the color
>>>>of his
>>>>politics to become a leader of VVAW. Kerry wasted no time organizing
>>>>opposition in the United States against the efforts of his former
>>>>buddies
>>>>still ducking communist bullets back in Vietnam.
>>>>
>>>>Kerry participated in the so-called Winter Soldier Investigation
>>>>where his
>>>>fellow protesters accused his fellow GIs of war crimes.
>>>>
>>>>Kerry's betrayal of American prisoners of war, his blatant
>>>>disrespect for
>>>>the families of our missing in action, Vietnam veterans, the
>>>>military, his
>>>>support for communist Vietnam and his waffling over the issue of use of
>>>>force in Iraq proves he is a self promoting Chameleon Senator who
>>>>cannot be
>>>>relied on to protect the best interests of the United States.
>>>>
>>>>Although Kerry voted to support military intervention in Iraq he is now
>>>>claiming that he only approved the threat of force by the United
>>>>States.
>>>>
>>>>The Constitution for the United States of America declares: "The
>>>>President
>>>>shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United
>>>>States, and
>>>>of the militia of the several States when called into the actual
>>>>service of
>>>>the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the
>>>>principal
>>>>officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject
>>>>relating to
>>>>the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to
>>>>grant
>>>>reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in
>>>>cases of impeachment."
>>>>
>>>>Read the following and decide for yourself if you trust this man to
>>>>be our
>>>>Commander-in-Chief.
>>>>
>>>>Young John Forbes Kerry grew up well connected in the upper-class
>>>>due to his
>>>>Forbes and Winthrop roots.
>>>>
>>>>After training, Kerry volunteered for Vietnam. He served a relatively
>>>>uneventful six months, far removed from combat, from December 1967
>>>>to June
>>>>1968, in the electrical department aboard the USS Gridley, a
>>>>guided-missile
>>>>frigate that supported aircraft carriers in the Gulf of Tonkin.
>>>>
>>>>His ship returned to its Long Beach, Calif., port on June 6, 1968. Five
>>>>months later, Kerry went back to Vietnam, securing an assignment as
>>>>"swift
>>>>boat" skipper.
>>>>
>>>>Kerry commanded his first swift boat, No. 44, from December 1968
>>>>through
>>>>January 1969. He received no medals while serving on this craft.
>>>>
>>>>While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without
>>>>prudence
>>>>in a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of opportunity
>>>>racking up
>>>>a number of enemy kills and some civilians. His body count included-- a
>>>>woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South
>>>>Vietnamese soldiers.
>>>>
>>>>"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever,
>>>>the sight
>>>>of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was
>>>>nothing
>>>>that anybody could have done about it. It was the only instance of that
>>>>happening."
>>>>
>>>>Kerry said he was appalled that the Navy's ''free fire zone'' policy in
>>>>Vietnam put civilians at such high risk.
>>>>
>>>>Kerry experienced his first intense combat action on Dec. 2, 1968.
>>>>He was
>>>>slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart.
>>>>In late January 1969, Kerry joined a five-man crew on swift boat No. 94
>>>>completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all of them in the
>>>>Mekong Delta.
>>>>
>>>>Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a minor
>>>>shrapnel wound
>>>>in his left thigh on Feb. 20, 1969.
>>>>
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