Can you please remove me from the list. Thank you very much for the
information.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Moral certainty


> When a curative treatment for PD is ready for our use, will those with
> moral  certainty
> against it's development,  also be the ones who decline  treatment with
> the
> same  moral  certainty?
>
> A cure is on the way, but not from the U.S.A.
>
> I just hope we get this importation of drugs
> thing worked worked out in time.
>
>
> Ned
>
> This just in ......
>
> Lions          3
> Christians  2
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>
>
>> Moral  certainty is the cause  of  wars,  bigotry, intolerance and much
>> suffering.  The person who is  certain  he  is right about as  yet
>> unanswerable  questions is a tremendous obstacle to progress.   Education
>> teaches  you  how much  you don't  know and defines the  boundaries of
>> your
>> knowledge.
>>
>> My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is  good  reason  to
>> call
>> it a cell, not a  person.  I need  to hear some good reasons why  a cell
>> is
>> a  person to change my mind, not ooh  don't  name-call.
>>
>> Rayilyn Brown, MA  major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>
>>
>>> Don:
>>>
>>> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more
>>> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is
>>> right
>>> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work
>>> of
>>> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have
>>> whooped
>>> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always
>>> skeptical and tolerant.
>>> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956)
>>>
>>>
>>> Ned
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------Original Message-------
>>>>
>>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
>>>> Date: 03/15/05 02:07:15
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>
>>>> Ned:
>>>> What is "the wrong turn" is just a matter of opinion, not fact, but I
>>>> can see this discussion is leading nowhere, and the problem of finding
>>>> a
>>>> way to come to consensus continues. :( If you would like to continue
>>>> this discussion, I think we should take it off the list, but I think it
>>>> is a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:28 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>
>>>> Wendy:
>>>>
>>>> What would that compromise be?  Either we do all that is necessary to
>>>> end PD
>>>> or we continue  being led down the path taking all the wrong turns
>>>> being
>>>> lead  by those who's primary symbol they march behind is one of capitol
>>>> punishment.        ( the cross )
>>>>
>>>>  Ned
>>>>
>>>> wendy NED WE NEED TO WORK TO GETER WHO IS RIGHT I DON'T KNOW I BEEN
>>>> FIGHTING PD FOR 35 YEARS I DO WHAT    IT TAKES TO BEAT IT I DON'T ASK
>>>> GOD
>>>> TO
>>>> FIGHT IT FOR ME BUT BELIVE IN GOD GOD I DO NOT UNDER STAND WHAT IS THE
>>>> TROUBEL I AASK NO HEL I DO FOR MY SELF BUT AM HEAR TO HELP ANY ONE.
>>>> THERE
>>>> IS
>>>> NO ONE ON THE PD LIST I HAVE EVER BAD M MOUTH WE HAVE EMAIL TO FOR THAT
>>>> LETS
>>>> HELP EACH OTHER SO EMAIL NOT LIST TO COMPLAIN  WE ARE TO HELP ONE AND
>>>> OTHER
>>>> [log in to unmask] Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ned!
>>>>> I understand your point, but I don't know if I agree. I am very much
>>>> an
>>>>> independent thinker, and I find pros and cons to any side. Just
>>>> because
>>>>> I am not in the church at this time in my life doesn't mean that I
>>>> won't
>>>>> be in the future. It is just not something I feel I need at this time,
>>>>> but who knows what tomorrow will bring? I know people whom I admire
>>>> who
>>>>> are in the church, and sometimes even independent thinkers need what
>>>>> being part of a group can provide. There is strength in numbers, and
>>>> if
>>>>> we (PWP) could ever compromise and pursue a common goal, just think
>>>> what
>>>>> could be accomplished! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:56 AM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>>
>>>>> Wendy:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I correct when say your independent thinking has led you to not
>>>> join
>>>>> a
>>>>> church, and also have the ability of interpreting  the intent of my
>>>>> thought
>>>>> process?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ned
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:51 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ned:
>>>>>> Belonging to a church does not preclude someone from being an
>>>>>> independent self informed thinker. One way to effectively communicate
>>>>>> might be to stop calling names and assuming that you are better or
>>>>>> smarter than they are. By the way, I don't belong to a church, but I
>>>>> do
>>>>>> believe in a higher power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:02 AM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peggy:
>>>>>> Please remember when  referring to the "church herd"
>>>>>> it could  never include an independent self informed thinker such as
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> self.   What are your thoughts on how to effectively
>>>>>> communicate with the church herd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ned
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Peggy Willocks" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:39 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please remember when referring to the anti-abortionists as the
>>>>> "church
>>>>>>> herd," that not all of the herd is created equal.  I am part of the
>>>>>> church
>>>>>>> herd, but DO NOT agree with the present stand on stem cell usage.
>>>>> And
>>>>>>> regardless of what anybody says, one CAN be pro-life and an advocate
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> stem
>>>>>>> cells simultaneously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (See an article done a while back -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkmail1/
>>>>>> 2003c/msg00091.html )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peggy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Ned Gardner
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:03 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rayilynlee:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The church herd would rather see aborted material go straight to the
>>>>>>> incinerator rather than used for any stem cell research.  You see
>>>>> this
>>>>>>> deprives the woman of any
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> possibility of feeling that something good can come from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> her choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:54 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dee
>>>>>>>> These same people are also doing other evil things besides opposing
>>>>>> ESCR
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> NT.  I tell you we are entering a terrible period of history.
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Dolores Buente" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:53 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I share in your frustration.  It seems that we are living through
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> important chapter in medical and moral history.  Later, when this
>>>>>> period
>>>>>>>>> is recorded,
>>>>>>>>> it will likely be compared to past practices and beliefs such as
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Salem
>>>>>>>>> witch hunts and the persecution of people who were labeled
>>>> heretics
>>>>>>>>> because they
>>>>>>>>> declared that the world is round.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> History shows us that it often takes much effort and bravery to
>>>>>> advance
>>>>>>>>> society forward. Look back at the struggle of individuals who
>>>>> fought
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the right
>>>>>>>>> of family planning.  They faced the wrath of those people and
>>>>>>>>> institutions
>>>>>>>>> who declared it sinful to practice birth control.  The same people
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> institutions who today declare it sinful to use cells in a petrii
>>>>>> dish
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> alleviate
>>>>>>>>> pain and suffering.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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