Rick:

What is scientific about common sense?

By definition it is only common.

Science and religion do agree that the
end of the "she-bang" will be rather warm.

What do you think?

Ned


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Moral certainty


> As a matter of fact, I take great comfort in the fact that my beliefs
> are verifiable, and refutable, through the scientific method (also
> known as common sense).  There is nothing truly permanent in the
> universe, including the whole she-"bang" itself.  And that is the true
> source of humility.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>
>
>> Ray:
>>
>> Reasonable doubt; moral certainty
>>
>>
>>  When one is "beyond doubt" or an issue has been settled "beyond
> doubt," it
>> means that certainty has been established to such a degree that
> there can be
>> no question whatsoever of the truth. On almost every question, the
> only
>> people who claim to be 100% beyond doubt are gods, egotists, and
> fanatics.
>> Mature people generally allow for the possibility, however slim,
> that what
>> they Know for Certain may be disproved.
>>
>>
>>
>> REASONABLE DOUBT -- ".refers to the degree of certainty required of
> a juror
>> before he or she can make a legally valid determination of the guilt
> of a
>> criminal defendant.The term doesn't require that the evidence be so
> clear
>> that no possibility of error exists; it means that the evidence must
> be so
>> conclusive that all reasonable doubts are removed from the mind of
> the
>> ordinary person. See also moral certainty."
>>
>> "MORAL CERTAINTY -- certainty beyond a reasonable doubt; a
> conviction based
>> on persuasive reasons and excluding doubts that a contrary
> conclusion can
>> exit. A juror is said to be morally certain of a fact when he or she
> would
>> act in reliance upon its truth in matters of greatest importance to
> himself
>> or herself."
>>
>> "REASONABLE MAN (OR PERSON) -- a phrase used to denote a
> hypothetical person
>> who exercises qualities of attention, knowledge, intelligence and
> judgment
>> that society requires of its members for the protection of their own
>> interests and the interests of others."
>>
>> Ned
>>
>> From http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>>
>>
>> > Moral  certainty is the cause  of  wars,  bigotry, intolerance and
> much
>> > suffering.  The person who is  certain  he  is right about as  yet
>> > unanswerable  questions is a tremendous obstacle to progress.
> Education
>> > teaches  you  how much  you don't  know and defines the
> boundaries of
>> > your
>> > knowledge.
>> >
>> > My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is  good  reason
> to call
>> > it a cell, not a  person.  I need  to hear some good reasons why
> a cell
>> > is
>> > a  person to change my mind, not ooh  don't  name-call.
>> >
>> > Rayilyn Brown, MA  major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>> >
>> >
>> >> Don:
>> >>
>> >> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The
> more
>> >> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what
> is
>> >> right
>> >> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been
> the work
>> >> of
>> >> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who
> have
>> >> whooped
>> >> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is
> always
>> >> skeptical and tolerant.
>> >> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ned
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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