JoAnn,  Unity I'm told is a softer version of Religious  Science.  Do  you
read  the  Daily  Word?  My paternal grandmother was Unity, maternal was
RS,, mother was  an atheist.
Ray-- Original Message -----
From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Religious Science/Jo Ann


> Ray - I helped to start a Unity Church of Christianity in Corpus Christi,
> where the minister was a wonderful, understanding lady.  However, she
> kept losing her female attendees.  She finally went to them one by one,
> and found out that her husband was almost pushing himself on them.
> Needless to say, when she confronted him, he admitted to it, and she
> divorced him.  How sad that someone, male or female, has to take
> advantage of their position.  However, when I came back to Houston, I
> took turns attending the Unity Church in their Golden Pyramid, and C of
> R.E. in their very simple meeting place.  I still believe in the concepts
> even though I'm now attending another church where I play the piano each
> Sunday.   Maybe these concepts won't cure anyone, but they make one feel
> better about it.  As I told Ned one day, negativity kills.  Best to you.
> You are receiving many nice compliments lately.  Jo Ann
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:46 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
> writes:
>> JoAnn
>>
>> I have attended  the  C of  RS once in 1960's and again in 1990's
>> after  I
>> retired from teaching.  I studied  Science of Mind and think if you
>> really
>> believe it you  can cure yourself  Problem is I can't cure my PD.
>> The
>> lecherous nature of  the husband of Reverend Nancy helped turn me
>> off.
>>
>> My very  good friend from the church, younger than me died of
>> melanoma.
>> She was a very spiritual person and just  knew the cancer was  gone.
>>
>> I think if you are well its an interesting religion; however I got
>> the
>> feeling if you were sick you needed  to stay away for  fear of
>> infecting
>> others with your wrong thoughts.  Rev. Nancy never acknowledged or
>> answered
>> my questions in class re cystic fibrosis and Alzheimer's.
>> Ray
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>>
>>
>> > Rick - Once I attended a seminar conducted by the Church of
>> Religious
>> > Science, which explained both factors.  The speaker said we are
>> traveling
>> > on this spaceship called Earth.  I liked his phraseology and have
>> used it
>> > often since then in some of my speeches.  This particular church
>> puts out
>> > a monthly magazine called Science of the Mind, and I've subscribed
>> to it
>> > for decades.  It's very interesting how Science and Religion work
>> hand in
>> > hand.  Seeya.  Jo Ann
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:44:14 -0500 Rick McGirr
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> > writes:
>> >> Well...
>> >>
>> >> In the times when John's Revelation was written, man had no idea
>> >> that
>> >> we are flying thru space on a tiny speck of dust, on the outer
>> arm
>> >> of
>> >> a spiral galaxy, in a universe that has uncounted millions of
>> >> galaxies.  Further, his prediction of a fiery conflagration as
>> the
>> >> last chapter of earth's history will only come true if enough of
>> us
>> >> believe the story.  But if it happens, WWIII on earth will be an
>> >> indiscernable blip on the energy scope for most of the universe.
>> >>
>> >> Science doesn't know much more than John about the end of the
>> >> universe.  We are like travelers who woke up in the middle of a
>> bus
>> >> trip to find our bus has busted the guardrail and is airborne.
>> >> We're
>> >> trying to figure out what happened.  But at least we are not
>> jumping
>> >> to conclusions.
>> >>
>> >> Is science uncommon?  It's becoming moreso in these days of
>> >> religious
>> >> fervor.  But it shouldn't be.  People don't know it, but we all
>> use
>> >> the scientific method several times a day.  But there's a point
>> at
>> >> which people's beliefs get in the way, and the scientific method
>> is
>> >> abandoned, in order to avoid the pain of discovery.
>> >>
>> >> I think it is wise to have assumptions, rather than set-in-stone
>> >> beliefs.  I try, humbly, to live each day based on the
>> preponderance
>> >> of evidence, to put it clumsily.
>> >>
>> >> That's a little of what I think.  What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> Enjoy!
>> >> Rick McGirr
>> >> Email: [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:46 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Rick:
>> >> >
>> >> > What is scientific about common sense?
>> >> >
>> >> > By definition it is only common.
>> >> >
>> >> > Science and religion do agree that the
>> >> > end of the "she-bang" will be rather warm.
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you think?
>> >> >
>> >> > Ned
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:13 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > As a matter of fact, I take great comfort in the fact that my
>> >> beliefs
>> >> > > are verifiable, and refutable, through the scientific method
>> >> (also
>> >> > > known as common sense).  There is nothing truly permanent in
>> the
>> >> > > universe, including the whole she-"bang" itself.  And that is
>> >> the
>> >> true
>> >> > > source of humility.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rick
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:59 PM
>> >> > > Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Ray:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Reasonable doubt; moral certainty
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>  When one is "beyond doubt" or an issue has been settled
>> >> "beyond
>> >> > > doubt," it
>> >> > >> means that certainty has been established to such a degree
>> that
>> >> > > there can be
>> >> > >> no question whatsoever of the truth. On almost every
>> question,
>> >> the
>> >> > > only
>> >> > >> people who claim to be 100% beyond doubt are gods, egotists,
>> >> and
>> >> > > fanatics.
>> >> > >> Mature people generally allow for the possibility, however
>> >> slim,
>> >> > > that what
>> >> > >> they Know for Certain may be disproved.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> REASONABLE DOUBT -- ".refers to the degree of certainty
>> >> required
>> >> of
>> >> > > a juror
>> >> > >> before he or she can make a legally valid determination of
>> the
>> >> guilt
>> >> > > of a
>> >> > >> criminal defendant.The term doesn't require that the
>> evidence
>> >> be
>> >> so
>> >> > > clear
>> >> > >> that no possibility of error exists; it means that the
>> evidence
>> >> must
>> >> > > be so
>> >> > >> conclusive that all reasonable doubts are removed from the
>> mind
>> >> of
>> >> > > the
>> >> > >> ordinary person. See also moral certainty."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "MORAL CERTAINTY -- certainty beyond a reasonable doubt; a
>> >> > > conviction based
>> >> > >> on persuasive reasons and excluding doubts that a contrary
>> >> > > conclusion can
>> >> > >> exit. A juror is said to be morally certain of a fact when
>> he
>> >> or
>> >> she
>> >> > > would
>> >> > >> act in reliance upon its truth in matters of greatest
>> >> importance
>> >> to
>> >> > > himself
>> >> > >> or herself."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "REASONABLE MAN (OR PERSON) -- a phrase used to denote a
>> >> > > hypothetical person
>> >> > >> who exercises qualities of attention, knowledge,
>> intelligence
>> >> and
>> >> > > judgment
>> >> > >> that society requires of its members for the protection of
>> >> their
>> >> own
>> >> > >> interests and the interests of others."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Ned
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> From http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM
>> >> > >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Moral  certainty is the cause  of  wars,  bigotry,
>> >> intolerance
>> >> and
>> >> > > much
>> >> > >> > suffering.  The person who is  certain  he  is right about
>> as
>> >> yet
>> >> > >> > unanswerable  questions is a tremendous obstacle to
>> progress.
>> >> > > Education
>> >> > >> > teaches  you  how much  you don't  know and defines the
>> >> > > boundaries of
>> >> > >> > your
>> >> > >> > knowledge.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is  good
>> >> reason
>> >> > > to call
>> >> > >> > it a cell, not a  person.  I need  to hear some good
>> reasons
>> >> why
>> >> > > a cell
>> >> > >> > is
>> >> > >> > a  person to change my mind, not ooh  don't  name-call.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Rayilyn Brown, MA  major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA
>> >> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM
>> >> > >> > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >> Don:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority.
>> >> The
>> >> > > more
>> >> > >> >> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows
>> precisely
>> >> what
>> >> > > is
>> >> > >> >> right
>> >> > >> >> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals,
>> has
>> >> been
>> >> > > the work
>> >> > >> >> of
>> >> > >> >> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men
>> >> who
>> >> > > have
>> >> > >> >> whooped
>> >> > >> >> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized
>> man
>> >> is
>> >> > > always
>> >> > >> >> skeptical and tolerant.
>> >> > >> >> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956)
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Ned
>> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >> >> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM
>> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
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