Ray - I used to subscribe to the Daily Word, and got a great deal out of
it. But now that I'm playing the piano for a non-denominational church, I
let my subscription lapse.  Jo Ann

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:12:33 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
writes:
> JoAnn,  Unity I'm told is a softer version of Religious  Science.  Do
>  you
> read  the  Daily  Word?  My paternal grandmother was Unity, maternal
> was
> RS,, mother was  an atheist.
> Ray-- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Religious Science/Jo Ann
>
>
> > Ray - I helped to start a Unity Church of Christianity in Corpus
> Christi,
> > where the minister was a wonderful, understanding lady.  However,
> she
> > kept losing her female attendees.  She finally went to them one by
> one,
> > and found out that her husband was almost pushing himself on them.
> > Needless to say, when she confronted him, he admitted to it, and
> she
> > divorced him.  How sad that someone, male or female, has to take
> > advantage of their position.  However, when I came back to
> Houston, I
> > took turns attending the Unity Church in their Golden Pyramid, and
> C of
> > R.E. in their very simple meeting place.  I still believe in the
> concepts
> > even though I'm now attending another church where I play the
> piano each
> > Sunday.   Maybe these concepts won't cure anyone, but they make
> one feel
> > better about it.  As I told Ned one day, negativity kills.  Best
> to you.
> > You are receiving many nice compliments lately.  Jo Ann
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:46 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
> > writes:
> >> JoAnn
> >>
> >> I have attended  the  C of  RS once in 1960's and again in 1990's
> >> after  I
> >> retired from teaching.  I studied  Science of Mind and think if
> you
> >> really
> >> believe it you  can cure yourself  Problem is I can't cure my PD.
> >> The
> >> lecherous nature of  the husband of Reverend Nancy helped turn me
> >> off.
> >>
> >> My very  good friend from the church, younger than me died of
> >> melanoma.
> >> She was a very spiritual person and just  knew the cancer was
> gone.
> >>
> >> I think if you are well its an interesting religion; however I
> got
> >> the
> >> feeling if you were sick you needed  to stay away for  fear of
> >> infecting
> >> others with your wrong thoughts.  Rev. Nancy never acknowledged
> or
> >> answered
> >> my questions in class re cystic fibrosis and Alzheimer's.
> >> Ray
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:15 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
> >>
> >>
> >> > Rick - Once I attended a seminar conducted by the Church of
> >> Religious
> >> > Science, which explained both factors.  The speaker said we are
> >> traveling
> >> > on this spaceship called Earth.  I liked his phraseology and
> have
> >> used it
> >> > often since then in some of my speeches.  This particular
> church
> >> puts out
> >> > a monthly magazine called Science of the Mind, and I've
> subscribed
> >> to it
> >> > for decades.  It's very interesting how Science and Religion
> work
> >> hand in
> >> > hand.  Seeya.  Jo Ann
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:44:14 -0500 Rick McGirr
> >> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > writes:
> >> >> Well...
> >> >>
> >> >> In the times when John's Revelation was written, man had no
> idea
> >> >> that
> >> >> we are flying thru space on a tiny speck of dust, on the outer
> >> arm
> >> >> of
> >> >> a spiral galaxy, in a universe that has uncounted millions of
> >> >> galaxies.  Further, his prediction of a fiery conflagration as
> >> the
> >> >> last chapter of earth's history will only come true if enough
> of
> >> us
> >> >> believe the story.  But if it happens, WWIII on earth will be
> an
> >> >> indiscernable blip on the energy scope for most of the
> universe.
> >> >>
> >> >> Science doesn't know much more than John about the end of the
> >> >> universe.  We are like travelers who woke up in the middle of
> a
> >> bus
> >> >> trip to find our bus has busted the guardrail and is airborne.
> >> >> We're
> >> >> trying to figure out what happened.  But at least we are not
> >> jumping
> >> >> to conclusions.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is science uncommon?  It's becoming moreso in these days of
> >> >> religious
> >> >> fervor.  But it shouldn't be.  People don't know it, but we
> all
> >> use
> >> >> the scientific method several times a day.  But there's a
> point
> >> at
> >> >> which people's beliefs get in the way, and the scientific
> method
> >> is
> >> >> abandoned, in order to avoid the pain of discovery.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think it is wise to have assumptions, rather than
> set-in-stone
> >> >> beliefs.  I try, humbly, to live each day based on the
> >> preponderance
> >> >> of evidence, to put it clumsily.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's a little of what I think.  What do you think?
> >> >>
> >> >> Enjoy!
> >> >> Rick McGirr
> >> >> Email: [log in to unmask]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:46 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Rick:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What is scientific about common sense?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > By definition it is only common.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Science and religion do agree that the
> >> >> > end of the "she-bang" will be rather warm.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What do you think?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ned
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:13 PM
> >> >> > Subject: Re: Moral certainty
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > As a matter of fact, I take great comfort in the fact that
> my
> >> >> beliefs
> >> >> > > are verifiable, and refutable, through the scientific
> method
> >> >> (also
> >> >> > > known as common sense).  There is nothing truly permanent
> in
> >> the
> >> >> > > universe, including the whole she-"bang" itself.  And that
> is
> >> >> the
> >> >> true
> >> >> > > source of humility.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Rick
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:59 PM
> >> >> > > Subject: Re: Moral certainty
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Ray:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Reasonable doubt; moral certainty
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>  When one is "beyond doubt" or an issue has been settled
> >> >> "beyond
> >> >> > > doubt," it
> >> >> > >> means that certainty has been established to such a
> degree
> >> that
> >> >> > > there can be
> >> >> > >> no question whatsoever of the truth. On almost every
> >> question,
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > only
> >> >> > >> people who claim to be 100% beyond doubt are gods,
> egotists,
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > fanatics.
> >> >> > >> Mature people generally allow for the possibility,
> however
> >> >> slim,
> >> >> > > that what
> >> >> > >> they Know for Certain may be disproved.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> REASONABLE DOUBT -- ".refers to the degree of certainty
> >> >> required
> >> >> of
> >> >> > > a juror
> >> >> > >> before he or she can make a legally valid determination
> of
> >> the
> >> >> guilt
> >> >> > > of a
> >> >> > >> criminal defendant.The term doesn't require that the
> >> evidence
> >> >> be
> >> >> so
> >> >> > > clear
> >> >> > >> that no possibility of error exists; it means that the
> >> evidence
> >> >> must
> >> >> > > be so
> >> >> > >> conclusive that all reasonable doubts are removed from
> the
> >> mind
> >> >> of
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > >> ordinary person. See also moral certainty."
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> "MORAL CERTAINTY -- certainty beyond a reasonable doubt;
> a
> >> >> > > conviction based
> >> >> > >> on persuasive reasons and excluding doubts that a
> contrary
> >> >> > > conclusion can
> >> >> > >> exit. A juror is said to be morally certain of a fact
> when
> >> he
> >> >> or
> >> >> she
> >> >> > > would
> >> >> > >> act in reliance upon its truth in matters of greatest
> >> >> importance
> >> >> to
> >> >> > > himself
> >> >> > >> or herself."
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> "REASONABLE MAN (OR PERSON) -- a phrase used to denote a
> >> >> > > hypothetical person
> >> >> > >> who exercises qualities of attention, knowledge,
> >> intelligence
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > judgment
> >> >> > >> that society requires of its members for the protection
> of
> >> >> their
> >> >> own
> >> >> > >> interests and the interests of others."
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Ned
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> From http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM
> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > Moral  certainty is the cause  of  wars,  bigotry,
> >> >> intolerance
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > much
> >> >> > >> > suffering.  The person who is  certain  he  is right
> about
> >> as
> >> >> yet
> >> >> > >> > unanswerable  questions is a tremendous obstacle to
> >> progress.
> >> >> > > Education
> >> >> > >> > teaches  you  how much  you don't  know and defines the
> >> >> > > boundaries of
> >> >> > >> > your
> >> >> > >> > knowledge.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is
> good
> >> >> reason
> >> >> > > to call
> >> >> > >> > it a cell, not a  person.  I need  to hear some good
> >> reasons
> >> >> why
> >> >> > > a cell
> >> >> > >> > is
> >> >> > >> > a  person to change my mind, not ooh  don't  name-call.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Rayilyn Brown, MA  major History. minor Philosophy,
> UCLA
> >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM
> >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >> Don:
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural
> inferiority.
> >> >> The
> >> >> > > more
> >> >> > >> >> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows
> >> precisely
> >> >> what
> >> >> > > is
> >> >> > >> >> right
> >> >> > >> >> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals,
> >> has
> >> >> been
> >> >> > > the work
> >> >> > >> >> of
> >> >> > >> >> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of
> men
> >> >> who
> >> >> > > have
> >> >> > >> >> whooped
> >> >> > >> >> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized
> >> man
> >> >> is
> >> >> > > always
> >> >> > >> >> skeptical and tolerant.
> >> >> > >> >> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956)
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> Ned
> >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >> >> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM
> >> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
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