David - Right on!! Jo Ann

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:49:21 -0700 David L Moreland <[log in to unmask]>
writes:
> I   th.ink  thatt Ned's definitiion  is a bit  shy of  what the
> biblical writer  had in mind in  Hebrew11:1  in the following:
> "Now fauth  is the asurance of things hoped    for; the conviction
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> things not seen"  after saying this the  writer   gives      several
> exanples   from their history   so that. they dont miss the   point
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> os making...It might be  good  for us all to read the rest of the
> 11th
> chapter of Hebrews.
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> > I like Ned's "Faith is believing something you know is not true"
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> > I've never heard it described that way before.  Somewhere in your
> > heart you
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> > is it I can't believe what I can't believe - is it because it is
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> > and I just don't understand it or not true at all?  I guess the
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> > bound by the limits of our intelligence.
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> > Light, the quintessence of the universe according to Einstein, is
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> > wave and particle, depending upon your perception.  This
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> > seem to be more in line with modern religions like Religious
> Science or
> > Deepak Chopra's blend of Eastern and Western religious thought.
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> > Bible despite the fact that in the Bible God said, " let there be
> light",
> > not space or time,  and Jesus said,  "I am the light".  Claude
> Monet said
> > "the subject of every real painting is light."
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> > Think some more about it.  For example, the Mormon "Pearl of Great
> Price"
> > requires monumental mental gymnastics and contortions of logic, .
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> > to believe.
> > Ray
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: Evil View of Suffering
> >
> >
> >> Faith is believing something you know is not true.
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> >> I don't really think that is the usual definition of Faith.
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> >> Kind of  like PD is not the usual?
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> >> Faith has two components, one is self  created:
> >> A person believes in something, say the existence of God(or not)
> >> This belief  is essentially internally generated, based on one's
> >> environment and world view, and desire to deal in reality.
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> >> What ever mental gymnastics one must go through  to believe that
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> >> suffering is somehow preordained and justified is it self  rather
> >> bazaar.  Please speak to the issue that some are distended to
> suffer so
> >> that your belief system can be fully justified.
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> >> Faith is believing something you know is not true.
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> >> Ned
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